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hollyisalovelyname Sun 04-Jan-15 10:54:19

Oh dear.

AuntieStella Sun 04-Jan-15 11:09:57

First thread deleted

Second thread: here

Third thread: here

I sometimes think it's a shame that people don't use the topics more.

Including this tumbleweed thread on Prince Charles and a pulled documentary

Inkanta Sun 04-Jan-15 14:15:28

I was wondering why Prince Andrew was not on the news thread. It's on all the front pages of the papers today.

I find Buckingham Palace statements rather irritating. Very closed ranks! And how would they know if he's innocent or not. His arm around the girl's her bare mid drift isn't a great sign.

Dawndonnaagain Mon 05-Jan-15 12:26:12

The Independent, today

Inkanta Mon 05-Jan-15 13:20:32

Libby Purves, in a Times column headlined “Dimwit Andrew needs to come out fighting”, argues that the “poor sap” prince is a victim of his own stupidity. She writes:

“He should have known better than to befriend Epstein, let alone have the muttonheaded loyalty to stroll publicly with him after his release from prison...

But Prince Andrew dazzles easily when confronted with immense wealth and apparent power. He has fallen for ‘friendships’ with bad, corrupt and clever men, not only in the US but in Libya, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tunisia, wherever.”

Now, she says, he must speak out despite the official press releases, not least because “the currency of palace denials never recovered from the Charles-Diana war of words.”

DoraGora Wed 07-Jan-15 14:28:53

It doesn't matter whether the Palace knows or not. The press assistant who writes, Yup, he's guilty as hell, is going to be copying out her CV at the same time. If I had a whole press department, I'd be using it, too!

morethanpotatoprints Wed 07-Jan-15 14:35:53

I' suggesting that PA was intended in this comment
but when Louis Theroix was interviewing JS and mentioned child abuse JS responded by telling him to be careful because members of the RF would be implicated and his solicitors wouldn't be happy with the questions, words to this effect.
Wish I'd taken more notice now.

JoanHickson Thu 22-Jan-15 07:13:31

In the news again today. I feel sorry for Beatrice and Eugene, no matter what the truth he is their Dad and they love him.

cleanmachine Thu 22-Jan-15 07:19:15

I have no sympathy for any of them. If they and him had any integrity they would get him to tell the truth. He was very very close to Epstein and must now answer questions about his involvement with a convicted paedophile.

EdithWeston Thu 22-Jan-15 07:24:45

Some of the royals really do seem to surround themselves with a very strange selection of friends and advisors. I remember thinking that during the Diana inquest, when her closer circle was laid out in public.

JoanHickson Thu 22-Jan-15 07:41:00

The thing is JS etc are of a personality type that seek out to befriend people like the RF.

prh47bridge Thu 22-Jan-15 11:01:03

If they and him had any integrity they would get him to tell the truth

You are assuming he isn't. To put it another way, you won't believe anything he says, however true it may be, unless it accords with what you believe is true.

You could criticise him for his friendship with Epstein. However, as someone who has been involved in child protection for years, I know there is a good chance that most of the contributors to mumsnet are friends with at least one child sex offender without being aware of it.

You could criticise him for remaining loyal to Epstein for too long. It is not uncommon for people to remain loyal to friends when they would, perhaps, be better advised to drop them.

As for the allegations made by the woman, some of the reporting has not been very clear. The USA does not have a single age of consent. It varies from state to state. On the woman's own evidence it appears she was over the age of consent in all the locations where the alleged encounters took place.

prh47bridge Thu 22-Jan-15 11:29:25

If they and him had any integrity they would get him to tell the truth

You are assuming he isn't. I suspect you won't believe anything he says, however true it may be, unless it accords with what you believe is true.

You could criticise him for his friendship with Epstein. However, as someone who has been involved in child protection for years, I know there is a good chance that most of the contributors to Mumsnet are friends with at least one child sex offender without being aware of it.

You could criticise him for remaining loyal to Epstein for too long. It is not uncommon for people to remain loyal to friends when they would, perhaps, be better advised to drop them.

As for the allegations made by the woman, some of the reporting has not been very clear. The USA does not have a single age of consent. It varies from state to state. On the woman's own evidence it appears she was over the age of consent in all the locations where the alleged encounters took place.

Isitmebut Thu 22-Jan-15 12:18:13

"I know there is a good chance that most of the contributors to Mumsnet are friends with at least one child sex offender without being aware of it."

Hmmmm...stat or profile wise, is there anyone we should be looking out for e.g. bald headed men with goatees, as hardly a conversation starter at dinner parties.

prh47bridge Thu 22-Jan-15 12:59:05

is there anyone we should be looking out for

They can be young, old or middle aged; married, single or living together; parents or childless; fat or thin; good looking or ugly; male or female... In other words it could be anyone. They are definitely not the slightly creepy individuals usually depicted in TV dramas.

The only thing you can say for sure about a child sex offender is that they will be good with children and very plausible. Exactly the kind of person you would trust to look after your child, run a youth club or whatever. Which makes it pretty much impossible to distinguish them from the people you really can trust to look after your child, etc. Which, in turn, is why there is so much emphasis on safeguarding measures such as ensuring no adult is ever alone with a child when people are working with children, either paid or voluntary.

Inkanta Thu 22-Jan-15 15:37:33

He looks quite uncomfortable today at his first public appearence - nervously texting on his phone as he walks, avoiding press questions. Hard not feel sorry for him - he looks like a baby.

Still I hope the truth comes out whatever it is. And if this woman is telling the truth I hope she gets some justice.

Isitmebut Thu 22-Jan-15 16:00:45

An easy way to find out is to ask her if she 'sucks toe', apparently it is prerequisite in that household, and if she don't, he is certainly innocent. IMO.

babbas Thu 22-Jan-15 17:18:21

Why would anyone feel sorry for him??! He's a talentless, over pampered, over protected Prince with extremely bad judgement. He deserves to be probed by the media if he hands or with questionable individuals. He needs to tell the truth about what happened, even if the truth is that he did not have anything to do with the girl (which we know isn't true).

Inkanta Thu 22-Jan-15 17:50:57

babbas - I know I quite agree! It's something about watching someone squirm, (as Andrew was walking through that airport) - not easy to watch.

Inkanta Thu 22-Jan-15 20:32:08

Prince Andrew: "I would like to reiterate and reaffirm the statements that have been issued on my behalf by the palace"

That's all he said. I studied his face - he looks dead behind the eyes.

cleanmachine Thu 22-Jan-15 20:34:28

I read today that the dates the girl said she was with him match his travel itinerary.

That statement of his was pretty pathetic.

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile Thu 22-Jan-15 20:40:40

popbitch was interesting about him last week

Mr Tickle...

prh47bridge Fri 23-Jan-15 10:17:35

I read today that the dates the girl said she was with him match his travel itinerary.

So? He has not denied meeting her. Since Andrew's movements are public knowledge I'm sure her lawyers would have ensured the dates matched before submitting her claims. And just to reiterate, on her own evidence she was not underage in the locations where the alleged encounters took place.

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile Fri 23-Jan-15 10:23:03

I thought there was one 'encounter' in Florida when she was 17, which was underage there?

TheOneWiththeNicestSmile Fri 23-Jan-15 10:29:59

www.ageofconsent.com/florida.htm

it's a felony when one person is under 18 & the other is over 24

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