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Oxford University denies that UKIP candidate Natasha Bolter ever attended Oxford

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claig Wed 10-Dec-14 17:51:39

"Natasha Bolter: Oxford University deny sex scandal Ukip candidate ever attended"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11285916/Natasha-Bolter-Oxford-University-deny-sex-scandal-Ukip-candidate-ever-attended.html

Roger Bird, who is a PPE, introduced Natasha Bolter as having defected from Labour and being a PPE too.

I saw her interviewed on BBC Newsnight last night, and I did begin to wonder about Oxford and PPEs. I'm not a big fan of PPEs at the best of times, but Gordon Bennett, I thought to myself.

What's going on?

TrojanWhore Wed 10-Dec-14 17:54:41

I don't know what to make of this story. Not now the texts have been published, and now this.

Was it a set up that went wrong?

Naughtyornicename Wed 10-Dec-14 17:55:07

Sorry - too lazy - Philosophy, politics, economics? Pottery, poetry and ergonomics?

Naughtyornicename Wed 10-Dec-14 17:55:56

If you are going to make up a lie, at least make up one that can't be so easily checked out.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 18:00:15

'Was it a set up that went wrong?'

Very strange. The BBC gave it a lot of coverage.

I did wonder about the Establishment, but then the 3 letters PPE always set my antennae buzzing.

MonstrousRatbag Wed 10-Dec-14 18:05:24

The whole thing is very odd, whether you believe his account or hers. He is odd, and she is odd. I agree she did not impress in the interview, too.

This statement is surely the nail in the coffin for her political aspirations, if she really has claimed to have gone to Wadham.

It is also a reminder of how many UKIP candidates have burst onto the scene only to slink off not long afterwards because of scandal, fallings-out or just general weirdness.

I've said it before on here-the most compelling reason not to vote UKIP is the strange and thoroughly third-rate people they put up as candidates. The only time they get a vaguely normal person standing is when he or she has been poached from another party, and often not even then.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 18:12:43

MonstrousRatbag, there are third-rate people in UKIP, but I think the Establishment have possibly put them in there to drop clangers at opportune moments in order to try and discredit the People's Army.

I think we will see many clangers dropped before the election and the Establishment will be laughing up its sleeve and the BBC will give them lots of headline coverage, and the BBC will be laughing up its sleeve and highfiving the Establishment.

'The only time they get a vaguely normal person standing is when he or she has been poached from another party'

I disagree. The People's Army prefers ordinary people, not Establishment politicians who may not really share the People's Army's goals and aspirations and may be politically correct Establishment types who would be better off staying in Establishment parties.

But I don't think anything will actually harm the People's Army, it seems to be like teflon.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 18:15:33

'He is odd'

He is a PPE who defected from the Tories.

I hope UKIP get many more ordinary people joining who have never been in other parties.

MonstrousRatbag Wed 10-Dec-14 18:16:32

claig, you know I love you, but you've jumped the shark with that post.

And don't blame the Establishment (liking the capitalisation). If UKIP had the sort of vigorous vetting procedures any self-respecting political party should have, the fifth columnists, if that is what they are, would have been weeded out.

Why is someone like Winston McKenzie a UKIP candidate? Look him up on Wikipedia. Are UKIP that desperate for a black candidate as a fig leaf to cover their deliberate coded appeals to racism?

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 18:23:12

'the fifth columnists, if that is what they are, would have been weeded out. '

Yes, unless some of the people doing the vetting are Establishment fifth columnists. Politics is strange and it is very important because it is about power and the Establishment doesn't want to lose power.

'Why is someone like Winston McKenzie a UKIP candidate?'

I like Winston, I think he is brilliant and very funny. He is a wild card who shoots from the hip but that is why he is great. He rivals Farage. I hope they give Winston a seat that he stands a chance of winning because when it comes to "tearing up their lawns" no one could do it better than Winston. He is brilliant. But they may think he jokes too much. But we need jokers who are funny to prick the bubble of pomposity of these politically correct Oxbridge PPEs. Winston could do it. In parliament, he would tear up their lawns.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 18:26:47

Here is Winston in action.

Love his humour, love the way he says to Evan Davis

"Heard a lot about you, how ya doing?" and offers his hand in a handshake at the start of the interview. grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lep6XIVPevk

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 18:45:31

Listen to Winston at about 3.20 into this stream. It is brilliant, it is full of passion. With people like Winston we could change things. He has heart, not like these politically correct spinners in Parliament who never say anything without checking for permission first.

I don't want professional politicians any more, I want people with heart who want to change things. Winston is fantastic. With 635 MPs like him, the whole country would be transformed. No more bedroom tax, no more fat cats avoiding tax, real positive change for the people.

Only the People's Party can deliver that. The rest of the Oxford lot don't really care. They don't haveee an ounce of the passion that Winston has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ9i7JtF_7E

WhaddayWant Wed 10-Dec-14 19:05:48

After watching her on Newsnight I instantly tried to google her credentials as she didn't sound like she had been to Oxford. She is not articulate and, even allowing for text type, her written English isn't great. She doesn't come across as bright.

I wonder why the information came from. Could it be a newspaper is too blame?

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 19:25:32

'I wonder why the information came from. Could it be a newspaper is too blame?'

No because Roger Bird, the PPE, introduced her at the UKIP Conference and said she studied PPE at Wadham College, Oxford.

'she didn't sound like she had been to Oxford'

I must admit I thought the same.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 19:30:09

'introduced her at the UKIP Conference and said she studied PPE at Wadham College, Oxford'

If it is true that she didn't go to Oxford it makes you wonder what UKIP's vetting process is like and how they didn't check degree certificates etc. It makes you wonder who the vetters are and if they went to Oxford and did a PPE.

LaurieFairyCake Wed 10-Dec-14 19:30:58

Unless she's actually certifiable she can't be lying.

You'd have to be mad as a chicken in a dress to lie about something so easily checkable.

How fucking odd.

LaurieFairyCake Wed 10-Dec-14 19:33:06

One of my BIL's (the one no one talks to) went to Oxford and he's dim as mince with literally no social skills at all.

He once pushed me out of the way at a buffet to get to the last sausage roll hmm

That may be understandable as a teenager but I was over 40

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 19:34:55

'One of my BIL's (the one no one talks to) went to Oxford and he's dim as mince with literally no social skills at all.'

Is he a senior Cameron adviser by any chance?

LaurieFairyCake Wed 10-Dec-14 19:39:11

No, he does boring computer shit and polishes his car every day.

Never shagged anyone obviously

He's very right wing - if he became an MP he's definitely the sort to go out with an orange in his mouth yelling spank me mummy.

He's that sort grin

WetAugust Wed 10-Dec-14 19:41:33

you could tell by her texts and the Newsnight interview that her claims were dubious.

ex Labour Fembot and mother of 5 who suddenly defects to Ukip and is on the PPC shortlist in less than 3months? You've got to be a UKIP member for 6 months before you can even vote for a candidate! That's how crazy this us.

Doesn't sound like a committed person who has held longstanding Ukip views to me

More like a Fembot plant to me.

UKIP said it would vet candidates properly. Look what we've got - a Fembot and now Neil Hamilton.

They are going to lose masses of support at this rate, I am barely sustaining my own enthusiasm for them

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 19:45:31

I must admit she sounded like a politically correct Labour type to me, and when I heard she was a PPE, I just gave up.

I agree WetAugust. Has Neil Hamilton won in the hustings?

'I am barely sustaining my own enthusiasm for them'

We have got no alternative, we have to hope UKIP are for real and are not completely Establishment controlled, although the Establishment are bound to try and put stooges in to sabotage the People's Army and save their parties.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 19:55:16

Guido is told the locals in Essex are “furious” and in “uproar” ahead of tonight’s hustings in South Basildon and East Thurrock, where Neil Hamilton has been parachuted in by the central party. Sources express “deep concern” that disgraced Hamilton’s “baggage” will have a negative effect across other constituencies in Essex where UKIP believe they have winnable seats."

order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/

It is sad because Essex is prime UKIP territory and they could win seats all over the county if they don't blow it and do what the Establishment want them to do.

mummytime Wed 10-Dec-14 20:02:11

You can do PPE at places other than Oxford.

One of my local Tory candidates is being prosecuted for fraud for claiming they were a Barrister.

WhaddayWant Wed 10-Dec-14 20:05:30

You can come across as being very socially awkward but still very intelligent. Ms Bolter just came across as not that bright - especially as she said she had studied PPE. All Oxford PPE graduates will be articulate and intelligent.

claig Wed 10-Dec-14 20:09:22

'All Oxford PPE graduates will be articulate and intelligent.'

What about Ed Balls? Is he the exception that proves the rule?

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