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Greens not in BBC TV debate

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claig Thu 30-Oct-14 22:06:00

"Green party will not appear in TV debate alongside Ukip – says BBC"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/2015-general-election-green-party-will-not-appear-in-tv-debate-alongside-ukip-says-bbc-9827003.html

Feel sorry for the Greens. Don't think they should get same treatment as UKIP, but there should be a debate with all parties apart from Labour and Tory, so Greens should be on there.

Don't think Clegg should be on debate with Labour and Tory alone.

ouryve Thu 30-Oct-14 22:08:03

They have as many MPs as UKIP. Why shouldn't they get the same coverage?

claig Thu 30-Oct-14 22:11:00

UKIP polling rate far higher and beat the Establishment LibLabCon in the EU elections. UKIP, party of the people, should displace LibDems "The Party of In"

slightlyglitterstained Thu 30-Oct-14 22:11:10

Saw a comment that the BBC hasn't realised that election coverage isn't fucking reality TV - they should not be picking "contestants" based on who they think will "give good TV".

They've been all over Farage for years though - he's had endless free coverage from them, by doing shows like Have I Got News For You etc.

CaptainAnkles Thu 30-Oct-14 22:13:49

If the Green Party isn't include, UKIP shoddy be either. It gives them unfair and unbalanced publicity.

claig Thu 30-Oct-14 22:15:54

"They have as many MPs as UKIP."

Don't forget that UKIP will probably have 2 MPs by the end of November and who knows how many more will defect after that. The BBC may be factoring in the absolute carnage and panic of what happens after Rochester, I don't know.

Isitmebut Thu 30-Oct-14 23:21:46

Saying the Lib Dems with what, 57 MPs in 2010, none of them bought as sitting Conservative MPs, should NOT appear at a 2015 leader debate is severe-head-up-own- UKIP-bum.

The Lib Dems had nearly 8 million votes in 2010 and 23% of the vote, versus UKIPs 2010 3% of the vote, up from 2% of the vote in the previous two General Elections - having polled in the double digits in EU and local elections..

The Lib Dems with a very different ideology to the Conservatives have done the UK a great service by forming a coalition in 2010, to allow urgent reforms the UK needed in what looked to be a no-ideas-myself-but-oppose-everything- parliament. Some reforms were unpopular, there is no painless way to cut a £157 bil annual overspend and try to find bedrooms to 5 million needing social housing in 2010, when all the money had gone, and then some.

UKIP have achieved nothing, rubbished their own 2010 General Election manifesto and have obtained 24 MEP seats, disingenuously by pretending to the electorate that voting for them could bring the UK out of the EU and stop EU immigration enshrined in British law, by the signing of the Lisbon Treaty.

UKIP have nothing to offer in a leadership debate, as they have nothing to offer the UK, when we need solutions to our problems, not another 5-years of their 'protests', while forcing another coalition on the country that is unlikely to work as well from 2015 to 2020. IMO.

The Greens on any measure of UKIP, have been hard done by without a platform which IMO should have 2-3 debates, one being between just the two leaders who WILL form the next 2015 government, probably again with a parliamentary minority.

claig Thu 30-Oct-14 23:34:15

So are you saying that Farage, with the biggest landslide in UK history and with a likely victory in its 271st most winnable seat does not deserve a head-to-head, mano-a-mano, as Boris Johnson would say, debate with Cameron, who is haemorraghing votes faster than a sieve and whose head is spinning faster than a div? Do you not feel that those millions and millions and millions of UKIP voters do not deserve to see Farage hold Cameron's feet to the fire and to grill him like a kipper on national TV? Do you believe in democracy or stitch-ups?

Isitmebut Fri 31-Oct-14 00:00:02

Claig .. is there any danger of you ever getting any facts straight?

On the same poll that gave UKIP 19%, had the Conservatives with a 1% gain to I think 30%, where as a government needing to bring in deficit reducing spending, it has been for ages.

What is Farage going to grill Cameron on, UKIP's 2010 General Election manifesto differences with the Conservatives 2010 manifesto and record in government and on the economy versus the rest of Europe?

It is one thing for a UKIP Party leader of your policy lite cult to DISOWN every policy as leader he signed off on;

“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire (2010) general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”.
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

It is another thing to try and wipe that UKIP policy “modernizing”, and previous inflammatory immigration speeches, right off the face of this Earth.

“UKIP spokesman Michael Heaver confirmed that the party’s 2010 election manifesto had been removed. While the party now opposes the planned high-speed north-south rail line, the 2010 document advocated building three new routes. “We’re in the process of updating everything,” Heaver said by telephone. “We’re going through a policy review.”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

“Both these are outdone by the U.K. Independence Party, which has no record of any speeches made before March this year. The earliest news item is leader Nigel Farage’s New Year 2013 message.

UKIP has been going since when, 1993, so if you halfwits have been going for over 20-years and YOU STILL don't know where you stand on UK domestic issues - what gives the leader of that policy shambles he is responsible for - the right to be in the same ROOM as the leaders who have started an economic & jobs recovery, UKIP now endangers???

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