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Oscar Pistorius Trial part 9

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JillJ72 Fri 12-Sep-14 06:18:12

Starting a new thread as part 8 is nearly full, here -

msrisotto Fri 12-Sep-14 06:25:27

Thank you Jill. Gutted that I'm out today and won't be able to keep tabs on it.

Thanks for the link to that article Norma, to be honest, I had the same thoughts when Masipa ruled not guilty of murder dolus eventualis. Nel should appeal.

Nerf Fri 12-Sep-14 06:36:23

It's funny how everyone on the threads said how brilliant the judge was and how they'd respect her decision and now actually, she's wrong.

member Fri 12-Sep-14 06:48:12

Thanks Jill

Mama1980 Fri 12-Sep-14 07:55:17

Thanks just place marking.

JillJ72 Fri 12-Sep-14 08:08:32

Has session started, does anyone know? Can't remember if we are 1 or 2 hours behind SA.

Fragglewump Fri 12-Sep-14 08:13:48

Oh my.......they just said if he gets convicted of culpable homicide he may get a fine! A clucking fine......for killing a beautiful young woman. What a sick joke.

mumtosome61 Fri 12-Sep-14 08:20:43

We're an hour behind, Jill.

Norma - could you repost that link as clicking on it brings me to a broken page.

Am I right in thinking session will start 9am GMT? I'm supposed to be revising, but trying to keep track of whats happening.

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:23:34

There was discussion on the 'could he have foreseen' question on the other thread.

From what I understand it, it's about intent. Should he have foreseen that death would have occurred but acted anyway, that's Culpable Homicide. If he went in intending to kill whomever until they were dead, that's Dolus Eventualis.

I think. I'm neither South African nor a lawyer.

I remain set that the Judge is intending to prosecute for the only thing that could be PROVEN to be the case. We can't prove he intended to kill, so that would be thrown out on appeal. We can't prove that he knew it was Reeva, so that would be thrown out on appeal too.

I think it's better that he's given a prosecution that will stick than one that will be thrown out on a technicality at appeal.

Though I remain upset that human life is valued so little by the law.

homebythesea Fri 12-Sep-14 08:24:38

Place marking

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:26:00

It's funny how everyone on the threads said how brilliant the judge was and how they'd respect her decision and now actually, she's wrong.

I don't think EVERYBODY has said that at all, Nerf. And many of those who have don't appear to have posted on these threads before.

I said I'd stand by her decision and I do stand by her decision so if you could take me out of the 'everybody', I'd be grateful.

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:34:15

There are apparently two paramedics sitting at the front of the court this morning. I don't know if that's a bit random or not. Dad fainted when his verdict was read out - perhaps that's normal.

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:37:23

Straight on to count 3 - Tasha's restaurant. Substantive facts - a gun he was holding discharged into the floor.

Mama1980 Fri 12-Sep-14 08:37:46

Incidentally I said before and still say I respect the judges decision I don't think she's wrong. I think most of us here are just discussing the legalities and reasoning.
Re the paramedics there was some discussion on twitter yesterday that someone was not feeling well hence the abrupt end. Op maybe or a family member.

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:38:10

No, she was confused about what count. She's doing Count 2. Sunroof shot.

ihatethecold Fri 12-Sep-14 08:38:23

Judge seems a bit confused!

Redcoats Fri 12-Sep-14 08:40:21

Checking in.

Redcoats Fri 12-Sep-14 08:42:21

Does OP deny all this happened?

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:43:30

I think he does, Redcoats, and the two witnesses have different recollections. I suspect there won't be enough proof of this one.

Mama1980 Fri 12-Sep-14 08:50:53

Apparently he is pleading not guilty as he said the incident happened on a different day- therefore introducing reasonable doubt to the incident if the witnesses have recalled wrong.
(Andrew Harding sa journalist wrote that)

LookingThroughTheFog Fri 12-Sep-14 08:51:49

Yep - the evidence falls short of the required standard for reasonable doubt. Acquitted for that one.

Redcoats Fri 12-Sep-14 08:52:04

Acquitted. Her summary makes sense there.

HenriettaTurkey Fri 12-Sep-14 08:53:52

Apparently an SA lawyer this morning said if OP doesn't get Culp Hom, he's leaving the law...

And it's been noted both police and paramedic presence is higher today.

Sounds dramatic, which is a shame -it should be about justice; not melodrama.

Mama1980 Fri 12-Sep-14 08:56:20

Acquitted on that charge.

Redcoats Fri 12-Sep-14 08:57:25

I'm still shock at bringing a gun to lunch!

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