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Is England not shitting itself Scotland becomes independent cos then they will have the tories FOREVER

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ssd Wed 05-Feb-14 08:15:23

Its a thought isnt it....

DC must be rubbing his hands, get rid of those bloody labour voters in Scotland and we;ll be in gov forever!!!!

Trills Wed 05-Feb-14 08:18:08

England and Scotland are not the only countries you know.

ssd Wed 05-Feb-14 08:19:44

ok so Wales and NI are shitting themselves too

ivykaty44 Wed 05-Feb-14 08:22:37

I am worried more about Scotland getting independence and then failing and expecting Wales northern Ireland and England to bail them out

Or them keeping the pound as currency and it being tied to our pound I the rest of UK and Scotland moaning about it being set to high

I don't think though whatever happens the Scots will be happy and no doubt about it England will get the blame

Thewhingingdefective Wed 05-Feb-14 08:22:54

I'll move to Scotland.

Isitmebut Wed 05-Feb-14 11:36:54

Labour has itself to blame if Scotland goes independent, keep feeding them power and more £thousands per head per year than English citizens, to keep them voting Labour – yet the Conservatives, are trying to keep a United Kingdom to do what is right for the UK and the Queen, what does that say about both Labour and the Conservatives?

Especially when thanks to Labours boundary changes, the Conservatives need to be several points ahead in the polls to achieve a small parliamentary majority.

But is the good news that we’ll have less Scottish MP’s screwing up England, which due to the extent of the damage, they must be getting their own back for The Highland Clearances and other English deeds of oppression.

And where is the current PAID MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowldenbeath, a certain Mr Gordon Brown, who knows, but he is never in parliament answering for his administration, and even DENIES that he is still an MP to captive audiences.

HollyHB Wed 05-Feb-14 13:36:49

I returned to live in Yorkshire after decades overseas. Frankly, the state of England today is a little shocking, it never was exactly wonderful, but not like this.

Scotland is looking to me better than England in lots of ways. Especially for families. So I too will seriously think about moving there. If Scotland becomes independently successful I can see Wales wanting to leave UK and merge with Scotland. Even fewer Labour votes for England.

As to Labour versus Conservatives they seem to me to be all tarred with the same brush. They have far far more in common politically than divides them. Not even slightly like the Labour Party of Clement Attlee or for that matter Harold Wilson.

Isitmebut Wed 05-Feb-14 14:34:53

"As to Labour versus Conservatives they seem to me to be all tarred with the same brush. They have far far more in common politically than divides them. Not even slightly like the Labour Party of Clement Attlee or for that matter Harold Wilson."

Ideologically you could not be more wrong, and the Conservative policies of 1997 versus what Labour introduced after, i.e. bigger expensive government, immigration, on private and state pensions, higher taxation for all to pay for it AFTER the 2010 general election etc etc, proves it.

gelati3 Wed 05-Feb-14 14:40:15

The reason Scotland joined up with England is that it was bankrupt.

And guess who wrote a letter of support to "Fred the Shred" just before RBS took over ABM Ambro (which was one of the major causes of the bank's downfall). Yup, Alex Salmond. Scotland would have been in the poo had they been independent at that time. Unfortunately, the Scottish Parliament (you may have heard of the fiasco over the cost) is full of inferior politicians. They don't have a clue when it comes to the economy.

MothratheMighty Wed 05-Feb-14 14:42:23

Surely the people get the government the majority vote for?
And I agree that you can't tell the difference between the major parties, their policies or their ethics.

territt Wed 05-Feb-14 14:59:17

Hopefully they will go independent and then the English don't have to keep paying for them, Keep the tories in as long as possible, we need to get rid of the debt and make people work for a living.

Bowlersarm Wed 05-Feb-14 15:01:57

If England is shitting itself because it is scared it will have a permanent conservative government, then England should not worry. England will get the government that England votes for. What's to worry about?

mummymeister Wed 05-Feb-14 15:14:44

if Scotland votes for independence then that is their decision and I wouldn't object. just so long as they have their own currency and border controls with no comeback if it all goes feet up. If they decide to cut loose from the Union then it should be a complete and clean break.

ivykaty44 Wed 05-Feb-14 15:19:45

What will happen about immigration?

Will Scotland apply to join eu ? Which would then mean free movement

Purplehonesty Wed 05-Feb-14 15:28:17

What will happen about immigration?

We just won't let you in. Simple wink

MannishBoy Wed 05-Feb-14 15:30:44

You mean there aren't any Labour / Lib Dem voters in England? I had no idea!

Lollypop1983 Wed 05-Feb-14 15:37:18

I don't think Scotland will vote for independence. Let face it : Alec salmond isn't someone that people would rush to put their trust in. I don't think he has a strong enough plan for an independent Scotland. There are so many questions unanswered.

As for labour vs Tories....they are as bad as each other. They have their good policies and their bad....they are just different parties.

ivykaty44 Wed 05-Feb-14 15:39:05

Is that you will not let Scots into England?

diabolo Wed 05-Feb-14 15:41:15

I'm quite looking forward to labour losing a significant portion of its voters. Agree with the poster above. England will get the government that England votes for. Only fair surely?

ivykaty44 Wed 05-Feb-14 15:42:28

It will be interesting to see what happens over Scottish university place and whether Scotland get fined for discrimination over English students being charged

leavesalmondoutofit Wed 05-Feb-14 15:52:20

*****We Scots Are Voting For Independence, Not Alex Salmond And Not A Political Party*****

Happy days scary times, yes lots of blanks that's the exciting bit grin.

Mum2Tigers Wed 05-Feb-14 15:58:56

If the Scots votes for independence, why can't the English (and Wales & NI) vote the Scots out of the GBP? IYSWIM... It doesn't seem fair that Scotland wants nothing to do with the rest of us, except keep the "best" bits, having the cake and eating it? If they want independence, do it without Sterling.

Anatana Wed 05-Feb-14 16:04:20

If the Scots go independent, do you think they will let the North come too? I'd rather go with them!

ivykaty44 Wed 05-Feb-14 16:07:49

Would the UK like to be told by the rest of the EU you can only leave if we all get to vote? No let Scotland vote on this matter and then get on with it whatever the outcome, they have a choice.

I do hope though they don't blame England when it goes wrong whether they stay or go

OldLadyKnowsNothing Wed 05-Feb-14 16:24:21

What a lot of misunderstandings there are on this thread. The vote is yes or no, not Salmond (who, btw, has the highest approval rating of any current politician, with Nicola a close second) or Cameron (whose approval ratings are in the minuses). A currency union is logical and sensible, and that's agreed by just about everyone including the Bank of England. There will be no border control, just as there is no border control between UK and Ireland. We Scots will remain in the EU, and English students will get the same free tertiary education as the rest of the EU - at least until Cameron hauls rUK out.

Exciting times indeed. Just off to make mince and tatties for tea. grin

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