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Gove wants private and state schools to be indistinguishable!

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rollonthesummer Mon 03-Feb-14 12:18:28

Roll on a class of 15; hurrah!

Spottybra Mon 03-Feb-14 12:23:03

It's an ideology that I love. But I can't see it happening irl. Big difference in parental attitude towards academic qualifications for a start. It's already clear in ds reception class who reads everyday and who doesn't. And this a at an outstanding school.

MothratheMighty Mon 03-Feb-14 12:24:11

That was my first thought roll!

givemeaclue Mon 03-Feb-14 12:29:03

Presumably he is talking about the school not the parents.

rollonthesummer Mon 03-Feb-14 12:29:44

There are so many reasons why private schools are (in general) successful and get good results and these factors just can't be replicated in every state schools. We have 60% EAL children and about the same FSM-attendance is a huge issue and so many of the children don't read to anyone at home ever. We are oversubscribed with huge classes, no TA, a large number of poorly educated parents who don't attend parents evening or even come to the school gates. These are issues entirely concerned with home environments-how can Gove possibly change this?

MarshaBrady Mon 03-Feb-14 12:30:25

Cutting class size would be much more effective than tinkering around the edges. I imagine many that use private would be drawn back to state.

Will cost a bomb though. Not sure how funding it would work.

telsa Mon 03-Feb-14 12:30:32

yeah right.

Helpyourself Mon 03-Feb-14 12:35:27

And if they were indistinguishable he'd have done a lot more than reform the Education System.

Ever wondered why there is such a disparity between schools in Britain? And why we uniquely in the world get so chewed up about state v private?
Because people in Britain are phenomenally different. This is an extraordinarily uneven society where what class you're born into defines the rest of your life, right up until your (early) death.
But so long as we're bickering over schools we're not arguing about those issues.

neolara Mon 03-Feb-14 12:37:22

I'm looking forward to him giving £14,000 per pupil to every school, instead of the £3,950 (average per pupil) we currently get in Cambridgeshire. (National average is £4,550.)

checkmates Mon 03-Feb-14 12:40:07

Gove has a daft pipe dream State schools 35 in class. Some private schools under 10 .

checkmates Mon 03-Feb-14 12:42:09

Mr Gove is a poor Education Secretary. But very good at publicity stunts. He has 2 going currently

noblegiraffe Mon 03-Feb-14 12:45:36

I just read This could see state school pupils being tested with the private school common entrance exam.

Eh? Why?

He does realise that rich parents heavily tutor for these exams doesn't he?

noblegiraffe Mon 03-Feb-14 12:48:10

Publicity stunts that make him look like a prat. Well done Gove.

Starballbunny Mon 03-Feb-14 12:51:51

Our county is around £4500 a year per secondary pupil

Local private school is £4500-£5300, Y7-Y11 per term

That means DD1 gets £11,400 less spent on her last GCSE year

elastamum Mon 03-Feb-14 12:52:22

If gove wants to use common entrance he'd better up his game. The syllabus is different to key stage and some of the level 3 papers are GCSE standard. Good luck with that one hmm

rollonthesummer Mon 03-Feb-14 12:53:30

Imagine how much damage he could do as PM!?

Starballbunny Mon 03-Feb-14 12:54:24

Ok this probably slightly unfair because state schools do get certain building repair grants from else where, but I guess private schools have investments and other funds too!

BlueSkySunnyDay Mon 03-Feb-14 12:57:07

What Gove wants is academic results in state that are on a par with private on a state school budget - so the teachers and free parent help take the workload while he takes the credit.

I'd love them to put in the money to make this a possibility but they are not going to are they?

Plus DS1 spend 50% of his time in class treading water while teachers are abused whilst trying to handle challenging children - what is Gove going to do about that? When you have an 11 year old shocked by how some children behave you know something is going wrong.

MothratheMighty Mon 03-Feb-14 12:58:16

The only way to attempt to level the playing field would be to make all schools boarding, and have all chiuldren raised by the state.
Too many variables otherwise, would contaminate the specimens.

hootloop Mon 03-Feb-14 13:03:16

Gove scares me.

I used to be a teacher before I had the children, I will be returning next January if I manage to get a job. I have been out 8 years.

Even in that short time the job I trained for and enjoyed seems to be long gone.

rollonthesummer Mon 03-Feb-14 13:15:11

Gove scares me.

I totally agree.

Badvoc Mon 03-Feb-14 13:28:06

I do feel that it should be someone with an interest in state education who should be in someone who actually went to one or sends their - shock horror!! - dc to one.

rollonthesummer Mon 03-Feb-14 13:30:40

Do you get people saying that all NHS hospitals should be indistinguishable from private ones?!

BlueSkySunnyDay Mon 03-Feb-14 13:39:19

"Do you get people saying that all NHS hospitals should be indistinguishable from private ones"

Yeah - they are not going to put in the money to do that either!

BlueSkySunnyDay Mon 03-Feb-14 13:41:39

Is there any such thing as a working class politician any more?

How many, from any party, are the result of a state education?

Or is it just that the successful ones are the ones who were educated privately?

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