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Child taken from womb? Truth into darkness....

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LakeDistrictBabe Fri 13-Dec-13 20:20:25

Ok, the old thread is nearly full. If you read the other three, I don't need to re-write everything again ;)

But you know I am referring to the case involving an Italian mother and the British social services.
Opinions welcome.

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:24:38


Reasonable, logical, fact and evidenced-based opinions welcome.

Wannabestepfordwife Fri 13-Dec-13 20:26:20

Bloody hell the rate we're going the debate is going to be longer than war and peace grin

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:27:49

In a true democracy the dialogue between government and the people is never ending'...

<<awards self pompous badge>>

DrankSangriaInThePark Fri 13-Dec-13 20:29:47


Is Spero at her works do tonight? She isn't away to meet He Who Shall Be Named Whenever We Fucking Feel Like It behind the Brownie hut is she? <strokes chin>

(If people haven't read the end of thread 3 they are going to be mighty confused at the turn things have a-taken to be sure...)

msvee Fri 13-Dec-13 20:30:47

In a nutshell?

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:34:18

In a nutshell?

Yes, the system has flaws and is definitely wheezing under the strain of cuts. Needs serious attention.

But no, poor lady wasn't actually hard done by. Just horrible case. Sad for all involved. Sadder still to have been used by various individuals to promote their own conspiracy theories.

And John Hemming still refuses, two years on, to publish his much vaunted statistics that children are being taken into care in order for LAs to have them adopted so as to get a bonus.

CarpeVinum Fri 13-Dec-13 20:36:50

Reasonable, logical, fact and evidenced-based opinions welcome.

Flagrant Discrimination!


johnhemming Fri 13-Dec-13 20:38:40

The Bangladeshi woman had a VBAC today according to reports. Which demonstrates that the Jackson J judgment was better than the Mostyn J judgment (as I said on thread 3 before going to the Brownies).

DrankSangriaInThePark Fri 13-Dec-13 20:38:40

Yup. Discrimination against total bollocks.

I'm getting those horrid images again

DrankSangriaInThePark Fri 13-Dec-13 20:39:25


DrankSangriaInThePark Fri 13-Dec-13 20:39:45

Or Lupus in fabula as we like to say behind my Brownie hut.

LakeDistrictBabe Fri 13-Dec-13 20:40:11

@Carpe hahaha indeed!

@MadameDefarge can't stop the conspiracists to post. They're everywhere lol

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:40:50

It demonstrates no such thing. It simply proves this lady was able to have a bvac despite valid concerns. Good for her.

It proves nothing about the other case.

LakeDistrictBabe Fri 13-Dec-13 20:43:07


Don't derail the thread again! What has the Bangladeshi woman has to do with that? Or are we going to name any woman who had a VBAC instead of a csection, or viceversa?

now husband stopped eating brownies too, your fault hemming

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:43:46

Why you think the medical needs of one woman is interchangeable with that of another is perplexing.

Are we the only people to actually engage with you John? I feel you enjoy our company a bit too much for your own good. But there will come a time when even we will cease to indulge your random assertions.

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:45:18

Hope that an evening jumping over the mushroom and sewing badges on has improved your processing abilities.

MadameDefarge Fri 13-Dec-13 20:47:04

'Maverick MP John Hemming in MN love fight'

That's a nice headline. Where could we place it?

CarpeVinum Fri 13-Dec-13 20:50:25

love fight?

<clutches cats to breast protectively>

johnhemming Fri 13-Dec-13 20:59:00

Actually today is another success in the criminal court of appeal.

johnhemming Fri 13-Dec-13 21:00:10

These are good kitten photos

CarpeVinum Fri 13-Dec-13 21:05:27

They are individual human beings. The fact that they both have mental illness isn't a green light to dehumanise them to the point of "interchanable units previously containing a baby".

I didn't have a particularly high opinion of your sensitivity towards mental illness, and your personal history suggests a "male feminist of the year" award doesn't loom in your future... but christ on bike, new depths evidently still there to be plumbed.

LakeDistrictBabe Fri 13-Dec-13 21:06:42

@johnhemming how do the kittens fit with the rest? Is that your army against the social services actions? Throwing kittens at them? I am going to call RSPCA!

johnhemming Fri 13-Dec-13 21:06:57

I don't understand where that relates to the kitten photos or indeed anything else.

johnhemming Fri 13-Dec-13 21:08:41

Carpevinum started the feline issues going. It was merely a response to that.

I am not a supporter of state control of the media anyway.

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