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Amanda Hutton found guilty of manslaughter

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Rowlers Thu 03-Oct-13 17:12:53

Just that.
I find the photo of that poor little boy very distressing.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 03-Oct-13 18:10:30

I find the fact that a child could go missing for 4 years very distressing. It took a community policewoman responding to a complaint about nappies being thrown over a fence two minutes to realise something seriously wrong was going on. How did this terrible woman escape detection for so long?

deepfriedsage Thu 03-Oct-13 18:14:26

Very distressing.

Mintyy Thu 03-Oct-13 18:17:54

Its astonishing that an entire family could live in a house like that and neighbours/relatives/teachers not even know! I don't know if social services were involved?

HoleyGhost Thu 03-Oct-13 18:25:11

I suspect that HVs and SS often rescue families like this. Utter tragedy that this one slipped through the net - for all involved.

Somethingtothinkabout Thu 03-Oct-13 18:27:47

Heartbreaking. It's so tragic when you think of how many couples would have been thrilled to give that little boy a loving home.

Has it been reported where his father was?

duchesse Thu 03-Oct-13 18:31:47

Holey I agree. We have some awful cases in the news at the moment and a lot of anger being misdirected at social services. I have a few SW friends and I know that they routinely deal with families like these, teetering on the edge. The ones they deal with are the ones where the children remain relatively safe. These unfortunate little ones slipped between the cracks.

There will probably always be incompetent parents. SW will always be needed. They will not always get it right.

curlew Thu 03-Oct-13 18:33:01

I can't understand why his father wasn't in court too.

peachesandpickles Thu 03-Oct-13 18:36:38

I can't get my head around the fact that there were other children living in that house.
Poor, poor kids. Where did think their little brother was? They must be deeply traumatised.

duchesse Thu 03-Oct-13 18:37:41

What I can't stand is the extended families (ie the dad of little Hamzah, the older brother etc) blethering on about how they tried to get SW and police interested, how they knew this was going to happen, and blaming social services.

Surely, as adults in the entourage of the poor little mite, as the flipping relatives, they could have basically taken over the situation, gone to house, demanded to see the child, taken him away and fed him and alerted the authorities. I rather hope that even they didn't know how bad it really was- if they did then they're almost as guilty of neglect as the mother herself. In fact the older brother did know. He even knew his brother was dead as apparently he was baby-sitting the night the child died. I bet the dad knew he was dead as well- how could a late teenager keep something like that to himself and deal with it? The older brother will surely have told him. Which I guess is why they didn't pursue the matter of the little one's whereabouts and welfare.

curlew Thu 03-Oct-13 18:40:34

Wasn't the father charged with something bizarre like failing to dispose of a dead body properly?

curlew Thu 03-Oct-13 18:41:21

It said on the news she was an alcoholic, and one day of the trial had to be adjourned because she was too drunk to attend.

CheeryCherry Thu 03-Oct-13 18:50:13

That photo sad Those eyes...
It's 2013...this shouldn't be happening in our country, in any country.
So so tragic.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels Thu 03-Oct-13 19:01:46

It's her eldest son who is also charged with failing to properly dispose of a dead body, not the father.

I hope she gets the maximum sentence possible.

Wannabestepfordwife Thu 03-Oct-13 19:02:41

I really don't understand the father or brother if I suspected my child or sibling was being abused I would move heaven and earth to get custody not just leave them to it.

The poor other siblings I really hope they get the help they need and aren't left with PTSD or severe trauma from their ordeal

duchesse Thu 03-Oct-13 19:02:54

I have a whole bunch of questions:the older children were all school aged. Were they attending school? Did their mother ever take them? Did she ever take their poor little brother with her? Did nobody look at the child and notice that he seemed pinched and tiny at best?

Frankly, given that all the older children all seem to have survived, I'm surmising that Hamzah did in fact have some kind of medical problem that meant he was more vulnerable than his siblings. I'm not saying the mother looked after her other children well (she almost certainly did not) but they all seem to have survived so there must have been some food in the house. She was however ridiculously gung-ho about a child with enormous health problems. The mother says that the child did "from natural causes". What the stupid bat fails to understand apparently is that starvation is rarely what actually kills people- it's the diseases enabled by a weakened immune system that kill. A child that malnourished could have been carried off by the common cold.

Mintyy Thu 03-Oct-13 19:06:35

Its also deeply shocking that you can hit rock bottom like that as an alcoholic (is it possible to go any lower?) and that still not be enough to make you give up drinking.

curlew Thu 03-Oct-13 19:09:14

mintyy- I have a dear friend who was found by 4 of her neighbours unconscious and naked on her kitchen floor in a pool of her own urine and faeces. That was a year ago and she's still drinking........

ZiaMaria Thu 03-Oct-13 19:12:52

The father wasn't allowed near the house I think. There was DV and she had a nonmolestation order against him.

Rowlers Thu 03-Oct-13 19:21:36

The more you hear about it, the worse it gets.
The sad thing is, you know there will be another similar story along in the near future.
Curlew sad

DowntonTrout Thu 03-Oct-13 19:29:22

This is a failure of a whole community, not one person.

This disgusting woman, I say that because she disgusts me but so do the others involved in this, was an alcoholic, with 8 children, living in an absolute hovel , was abused by the father of some/all of her children.

5 children living in that house were school aged, can you imagine that not one of them noticed or said anything about their baby brother?

The sad excuse of a father, who was charged with a domestic violence incident against this woman, is just as guilty as she is. So is the elder brother charged with failure to dispose of a dead body, I mean, what the hell goes through the minds of these people?

This is a sad reflection on a very small section of society. There were mistakes made along the way, by the police, social services and midwives/her GP (she was struck off from the surgery for not attending appointments.) but at the risk of going all Daily Mail, how are such dis functional families able to keep breeding and being paid for by the state?

Thank goodness for the policewoman who had the tenacity to keep going back and trying to gainaccess. Sadly too late.

Catkinsthecatinthehat Thu 03-Oct-13 19:44:54

That photo Those eyes...

Oh God, I know. I was thinking about this case last night when sorting out some of DS's old baby clothes for a charity shop. His body was found dressed in a 6-9 month babygrow when he died as he was so stunted and malnourished. DS is 20 months, and those size clothes looked tiny next to him. For a four year old to fit in one....

MikeLitoris Thu 03-Oct-13 19:52:55

Those photos are shocking. I just cannot fathom how this happened.

So many people failed that poor child.

BMW6 Thu 03-Oct-13 20:01:52

The Mother failed the child. No-one else starved that poor child to death.
The buck stops there.

curlew Thu 03-Oct-13 20:03:47

"The Mother failed the child. No-one else starved that poor child to death.
The buck stops there."

No it doesn't. The mother was an alcoholic victim of domestic violence in a country which supposedly has systems in place to protect the vulnerable. The buck does not stop with her.

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