'Milk can cause cancer'.

[bubble99]

According to the 'White Lies' campaign spearheaded by The Vegetarian and Vegan Society.

I'm totally P'd off by this as, rightly or wrongly, I suspect that human health is fairly low down their list of priorities.

I'm assuming they're not including human milk?

Any links would be appreciated.

[expatinscotland]

breathing polluted air can cause cancer, too.

[bubble99]

And polluted air doesn't provide an accessible form of calcium, either. Maybe not the best form of calcium - but appealing to most children.

[moondog]

lol
Gives me an excuse to wheel out my favourite ever rhyming couplet yet again

'I'm as serious as cancer when I say that


Rhythm is a dancer'

lol lol lol

[MarsLady]

Just yesterday it milk caused twins... so which is it? [rueful smirk]

[FrannyandZooey]

I don't understand the opening post. Do you think it's a conspiracy started by the Vegetarian and Vegan Society? Why would human health be low down on their list of priorities? Of course they are not talking about human milk. They are talking about cow's milk. Why would they be talking about human milk?

[expatinscotland]

DD1 still has 'a bobo (bottle) of milk' every morning.

The organic stuff apparently has more Omega 3s.

We keep Yeo Valley in business, too, and have all the little spoons

[bubble99]

Dunno, marsy. But put that milkshake down, FGS. You, of all people.

[bubble99]

F&Z. Genuine question. There is no mention of human milk, but milk is milk, no?

[FrannyandZooey]

Erm, no. Not at all. Human milk is designed for human babies. Cow's milk is designed for calves. They are really very different things.

[FillyjonktheSnibbet]

my google is down again due to shite ntl+can't search.

can someone link?

is it the problem of cows milk containing too much growth hormone or something?

[FillyjonktheSnibbet]

whereas human milk contains right amount for human babies.

i really need to be more vegan.

[bubble99]

And surely you'd agree that, as many vegans disagree with what they consider to be the exploitation of animals to provide by-products, it's a factor in their argument (sp? arguement??).

[FrannyandZooey]

"The exploitation of animals for their by-product"

are you suggesting that vegans think that breast feeding is exploitation? Do you really think the vegan society is talking about human milk in their campaign?

[bubble99]

How about organically produced milk?

[bubble99]

No, not at al, F&Z. You've neatly cleared up my human milk confusion. I'm interested to hear about the potential harm of cows, or any other animals, milk. I was hoping for a debate, TBH.

[Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads]

I switched ds3 to goats milk from cows mik 2 weeks ago. Goats milk is high in a protein called A2. Friesian cows milk contains a protein A1 which is implicated in causing diabetes if you have a leaky gut (which he does). It has also been suggested it may play a role in autism (which is why I switched him). The difference in him is enormous. He is pointing, making fantastic eye contact and talking in sentences. More to the point he now passes the CHAT test. 2 weeks ago he didn't. 2 weeks ago I was getting ready to take him to the CDC to start the ball rolling with an autism diagnosis. Now I think he's fine. Guernsey cow milk is fine as well (although always comes mixed with jersey). And you need the leaky gut for it to be a problem.

Seach A2 mik on google for more information. Research is at a very early stage, but given the difference we have seen in ds3 I wil be keeping him on goats milk.

[moondog]

Jimjams,have you seen that bike thread?
I think they wanted you.
Hang on,I'll call it up....

[bubble99]

Is this campaign about all animal milk? Or just cow's?

[Piffle]

The only issue I have with cows milk is that it is seriously mucous forming in my dd
Therefore she gets none, nada
Maybe a slice of cheese.
I think more people who eat dairy do not get cancer than those that do get cancer.

[ruty]

wow jimjams - that really is amazing - I am so glad. I think when i introduce milk to ds we'll start with goat's milk. Paul Shattock suggested that too. Haven't managed to make my pc let me watch that short film yet - will ask dh to play it for me at weekend.

[bubble99]

My main concern is that the words 'cancer' and 'milk' are headlined together. As I've already said, I accept that there may be 'better' forms of calcium but many are not as readily accepted or affordable to a lot of the population. I'm concerned that some, if not many, parents may panic and not provide any form of calcium for their children's young bones.

[Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads]

Yes it was Paul Shattock who suggested it. I will email him to let him know the difference. I do think it is mad, but also amazing and 4 people who see him on a once a week basis have commented how different he is.

Oh you must watch the film it is amazing. You too moondog- you can find it in SN in the thread about short film about autism. It's still there even though its past Sunday. It's really moved me. I think I have said every single line in the film at some stage or another.

[tamum]

bubble, I have seen lots of studies showing no link with cancer at all, and no convincing ones showing a link. I agree, I think this is just scaremongering.

[bubble99]

Thanks, tamum. This subject seems to provoke some very strong reactions.

[VeniVidiVickiQV]