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'wealthy pensioners urged to give up benefits'

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mirry2 Sun 28-Apr-13 22:54:22

How wealthy is wealthy?

grimbletart Tue 30-Apr-13 22:21:42

math anxiety (sorry my computer won't let me do your name as one word, dratted thing keeps insisting on a space) - I don't see your problem with calling it an entitlement. An entitlement is a "just claim" or a "right" according to the dictionary- ergo, something according to the law you are entitled to i.e. your right.

Not being sarky - am genuinely puzzled as to your problem with the word.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 30-Apr-13 23:05:59


I too was considering the people like your mum and so many other pensioners, especially the old dears who grew up in the war. Yes they are still about, anybody who can't see this. The old dears I have scrimp on lots of things whether they have money or not and are very vulnerable imo.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 30-Apr-13 23:06:41

old dears I know, not have. I don't collect them honestly grin

mathanxiety Wed 01-May-13 03:54:56

Entitlement in the context of welfare means something different -- something akin to the NHS or housing benefit.

(My name as it stands was a typo anyway so no worries)

grimbletart Wed 01-May-13 11:29:54

Really? That intrigued me, so I googled the meaning of entitlement in the context of welfare, but it still defines it as "the official right to have or do something, or the amount that you have a right to receive" (Longman's contemporary dictionary) so I still can't see it as any different from my comment up thread.

But you live and learn...grin.

Underherthumb Wed 01-May-13 12:39:20

"We currently have a high deficit of just under 11% (last time I checked) because we are in the middle of a recession. Prior to the financial crisis, it was 3% - which is what the EU says should be the limit.

The financial situation we're in now isn't the result of spending too much money on schools and hospitals. It's because of the financial crisis and subsequent recession, and because corporations are paying less tax than ever."

That's kind of what I was trying to say. In 10-15 years of economic success and consistent growth we still managed to run a year on year deficit of around 3%. Hardly surprising that when it all hit the wall the deficit plunged even further.

Whichever way I look at it, I can't see past the fact that - good times or bad - our government always spends more than we bring in. I blame the election cycle.

Not sure what you mean by corporations paying less tax than ever. The last numbers I can see from IFS show a 14% year on year increase to around £43 billion in financial year 2011. The ONS states that 1.07 million new private sector jobs were created between 2010 and 2012, each of which incurs employers NI contributions @13.8% from the company. I'd say corporations as a whole were paying more tax than ever.

scottishmummy Wed 01-May-13 19:21:15

Let's start with the wealth pensioners in commons and house of lords giving back monies

morethanpotatoprints Wed 01-May-13 22:48:55

The word entitlement has nothing to do with benefit. It does mean something you have a right to.
Some people on here don't believe that certain people or type of people should be entitled to certain benefits. Hence the word entitlement somehow gains stigma and is taken out of context and its literal meaning. confused

I wonder if any other words in our language are the same?

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