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WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 15-Apr-13 20:27:37

Thewhingingdefective Fri 19-Apr-13 13:26:05

Hand cream, no of course people have different motives to kill, bt in cases like this there must be a cause that could possibly have been avoided.

Is it so terrible to wonder if this young woman was so disturbed or depressed that she really couldn't cope? Having so many children in such a short space of time and at a young age herself clearly messed her up somehow.

It's tragic. I cannot imagine what state her mind was in when she took her children's lives. The poor father now has to live with this nightmare. Really sad stuff.

MissyMooandherBeaverofSteel Thu 18-Apr-13 16:10:40

Yes thats right, it was the police officers fault, totally.

Clearly what they should have done, without evidence, or a statement, or any reason whatsoever was arrest the mother. Shame on them for not arreseting a heavily pregnant woman in charge of 3 small children in the early hours of the morning for nothing.

There was only one person who let those children down, and thats the only person who a lot of people don't want to blame for some reason.

handcream Thu 18-Apr-13 15:39:53

I have to say I agree with a number of other posters. Why are we looking to blame everyone else, 'she was let down by the police, social services, even her ex boyfriend'

She potentially killed her children in cold blood. She was so young to have so many children.

Are we now going to say that everyone who murders someone else is depressed, on the edge or driven to it.

ThatVikRinA22 Thu 18-Apr-13 15:09:16

here we go again then - blame everyone but the person responsible.

clearly i need to put a request in for the standard issue of crystal balls along with pava and batons.


HeySoulSister Thu 18-Apr-13 09:42:17

How did the police let them down??

CautionaryWhale Thu 18-Apr-13 07:39:25

to not so

CautionaryWhale Thu 18-Apr-13 07:38:55

Complete double standards here
The reaction so such events should be consistent irrespective of gender
but never is.
As I am 7 months pregnant with two other children and have a history of depression I can understand her desperation but cannot excuse her actions. They were pre-meditated and the police let those kids down badly.

Darkesteyes Thu 18-Apr-13 01:09:53

The case i mentioned earlier there were certain people scrabbling around trying to find a way to blame the mother when in the other case it was the father who killed them.
All i meant was that you cant go by what you read in the Mail.

ThatVikRinA22 Thu 18-Apr-13 00:06:26

im afraid i judge anyone - man or woman - who can kill their children.

gender is irrelevant.

to be in the frame of mind to kill your own children - be you a male or female - i would say you have some kind of mental impairment and are in a desperate situation.

it is desperately sad.

HeySoulSister Wed 17-Apr-13 23:59:47

Yeah she did. How do we know she didn't have support? 'Support' does not prevent someone murdering others

everlong Wed 17-Apr-13 21:51:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Darkesteyes Wed 17-Apr-13 21:39:29

The Mail have mysogynistic form for this. There was a case of family annihalation last year commited by the father.
But the Mail trawled the mothers facebook posts to see how he could have been "driven to it"
I clearly remember discussing it on the Feminism boards at the time.

2old2beamum Wed 17-Apr-13 21:03:55

Please don't judge until you have walked in her shoes.
I feel so sad where was her support? Her midwife sad? she was not much more than a child herself!!!

duchesse Wed 17-Apr-13 20:55:43

I'm thinking that what's quite possible is that she did indeed attack him at their home, and that he went for treatment at hospital and reported that he'd been attacked in the street by a randomer in order to avoid getting her into trouble. Hence the "false" report.

HeySoulSister Wed 17-Apr-13 18:53:23


bloody well said!!! this woman made a choice!!

everlong Wed 17-Apr-13 18:40:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MissyMooandherBeaverofSteel Wed 17-Apr-13 18:38:43

Showing a little respect for the man who has just lost 4 children isn't hard either Obi.

I didn't see much 'peace and love' for him in your pp.

Maggysinge Wed 17-Apr-13 18:26:00

The hypocrisy here is just astounding! A woman has murdered her children and all of a sudden it's oh she must be ill, abused etc and that it doesn't feel right, he must be dodgy etcbut if it was a man I guarantee that you would be calling him a murdering bastard and no sympathy whatsoever.

ObiWankenYoni Wed 17-Apr-13 17:58:28

There's no need to be nasty to each other.

There's enough sadness in this world, without inflicting on each other here.

I understand the passion cases like this bring out in people, but please. A little respect for each other isn't hard.

Peace and love

HeySoulSister Wed 17-Apr-13 17:20:29


your in receipt of full facts from the police? youve read his 2 statements

MissyMooandherBeaverofSteel Wed 17-Apr-13 17:06:57

What isn't adding up, or isn't right?

We can't expect to be told every detail about another families tragedy.

Can you imagine losing a child and having people gossiping about your involvement in that childs death? I can, I've been there and its fucking hideous.

Until he is implicated by the police, who are the ones with the full facts, I think speculation and talk of 'feelings' and 'instincts' that he is in some way involved are just nasty and do nothing but prove that the people who see fit to broadcast their thoughts on a public forum are pretty bloody heartless.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 17-Apr-13 16:59:20

HeySoul - so why has the father changed his story? I'm not saying that she didn't do it, just that it is in all likelihood not as 'straightforward' as it initially appears.

Moominsarehippos Wed 17-Apr-13 16:56:56

She was 21? What kind of life mish she have had to be so desperate that she'd do this?

It wasn't that long ago that it was believed that a pregnant woman couldn't kill herself. There was a case where a pragnant woman hung herself and I believe the husband was convicted (he was definately tried) because psychologists said that she couldn't have done it because she was pregnant (mama tiger and all that).

I'm assuming this woman didn't have much of a family/friend network. Those poor kids.

HeySoulSister Wed 17-Apr-13 16:53:33

why isnt something right? its not that hard to believe a woman can do this is it? plenty of cases over recent times....

Vagndidit Wed 17-Apr-13 16:52:10

I will add that there's also a lot of details about the story that aren't adding up...which just adds to the sadness of the situation. I hate how the Philpott case has made us all a bit more suspicious of fathers.

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