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Scotsman Newspaper puts swastika on the saltire.

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TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 12:22:50

Can't bring myself to link to the paper, there is the image of the Saltire in their paper, but with a swastika instead of a cross.

So irrespective of how you will vote, do you think they are wrong to use nazi imagery to attack pro-independence voters?

BombJack Tue 09-Apr-13 13:05:37

The Scotsman is wrong to use imagery like this to attack the present-day SNP. As well as being divisive, it cheapens the victims of the Nazis during WWII.

SNP supporters and members should, however, take note of the SNP's official stance during the war, which was to not support the British war effort, and actively encourage Scottish workers to avoid conscription in munitions factories.

I'm not aware of the SNP ever apologising for these actions - if they have then I stand corrected. Someone linked to the Wiki page for ex-SNP leader Arthur Donaldson earlier. Those archives at Kew Gardens make interesting (disturbing) reading.

It's the above that perhaps makes some people think they can (wrongly) make the Swastika comparisons today. Particularly as they still have an online shrine to Donaldson:

If someone can link to a clarification of the SNP's stance during the war, that would be good. I know it's 70 years ago now - but I can't believe they haven't addressed this in some way.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Tue 09-Apr-13 01:24:22

Wasn't just me blush it was that there Jenny too. Have you had a look at the Sunday Herald too? Both Ian and Iain write for it. It's a brilliant read.

TapselteerieO Tue 09-Apr-13 00:23:10

OldLady cheers!

TapselteerieO Tue 09-Apr-13 00:22:26

Thank you nicetabard, that sums it up, I suppose they don't even deserve the negative publicity.

NiceTabard Tue 09-Apr-13 00:08:21

Fuck me, I am utterly gobsmacked that they printed that. I can't believe it. WTAF?


OldLadyKnowsNothing Mon 08-Apr-13 22:13:20

Pleased to have won a convert. grin

TapselteerieO Mon 08-Apr-13 19:37:59

I had a look online last night, unexpectedly liked it, will buy in future. Really enjoyed the online comments on articles.

JennyPiccolo Mon 08-Apr-13 08:28:22

It's glasgow based, but more generally Scottish I would say.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Mon 08-Apr-13 03:37:35

The Herald has really changed in the past 20 years. It is well worth reading.

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 23:34:22

I will take a look at the Herald but it always seems very much a Glasgow paper - I haven't read it in about 20 years so it may have changed a lot since then!

JennyPiccolo Sun 07-Apr-13 22:40:19

The herald has been consistently good with coverage of the referendum issues, in my opinion.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sun 07-Apr-13 22:32:22

I'd like to see STV, but AV seems to work too.

Solopower1 Sun 07-Apr-13 22:06:58

What sort of voting system would an independent Scotland have?

TapselteerieO Sun 07-Apr-13 21:54:32

Solopower I don't agree, I am voting in favour of Scotland, not against Westminster. The U.K government, with its first past the post system will never be truly representative though. Still it isn't a major reason for voting yes.

claig Sun 07-Apr-13 21:41:17

Thanks, Santana

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Sun 07-Apr-13 21:39:05

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 21:36:04

The Sun is Murdoch owned but won't be supporting independence any more: here

claig Sun 07-Apr-13 21:34:21

'The Scottish Sun'

Is that a Murdoch paper? I heard recently that Murdoch and Salmond may have slightly fallen out but I didn't pay much attention and may have got that wrong.

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 21:29:42

Ah, cross posts. I knew it was in the depths of my mind!

SantanaLopez Sun 07-Apr-13 21:29:18

It wasn't on their website this morning, either, claig.

Does one of the redtops not support the SNP?

(fuzzy baby brain)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 07-Apr-13 21:28:47

The Scottish Sun came out in support of the SNP at the last election, other than that I think they are either neutralish or unionist.

claig Sun 07-Apr-13 21:26:18

Can't find it on their website.
But it sounds like a desperate act that will backfire on the No campaign.
People aren't as stupid as these papers think.

Are there any Scottish papers that support the SNP? Are they nearly all Labour supporting papers?

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 07-Apr-13 20:40:02

I used to love the Scotsman cryptic crossword, specially Peter Bee on a Friday.
It's such a long time since I bought it.

Solopower1 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:31:23

Ian Bell and Iain MacWhirter - none finer!

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sun 07-Apr-13 20:28:47

Agree with Solo, the Herald has some damn fine journalism.

And I might be a tiny bit in love with Ian Bell and Iain MacWhirter

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