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Iain Duncan Smith really is an arse isn't he?

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MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Feb-13 17:16:37

"The next time somebody goes in - those smart people who say there's something wrong with this - they go into their supermarket, ask themselves this simple question, when they can't find the food they want on the shelves, who is more important - them, the geologist, or the person who stacked the shelves?"

There is so much wrong with this that I can't even begin. [cross]

wannabedomesticgoddess Sun 17-Feb-13 17:22:04

Commenting further on the case, Mr Duncan Smith said: "I understand she said she wasn't paid. She was paid jobseeker's allowance, by the taxpayer, to do this.

Someone needs to remind him that we have a National Minimum Wage in this country. He seems to have forgotten.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Feb-13 17:27:42

The next time I want to take my son to a museum so that he can learn about the planet we live on, but they've closed the gallery due to cost cutting, at least I'll know that the supermarkets are making a bigger profit due to all this free labour.

MrsMiniversCharlady Sun 17-Feb-13 17:32:13

He's just so stupid shock That's what I can't get over, that all these clever Oxbridge-educated Tories can't see the sheer idiocy of these schemes.

ivykaty44 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:32:19

Can't see link....

Rhiannon86 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:37

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Knowsabitabouteducation Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:41

What is this thread about?

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Feb-13 17:37:31

link again

ivykaty44 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:39:29


MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Feb-13 17:40:09

"An employed shelf-stacker is doing more for the country than an unemployed geologist."

She was volunteering in a museum.

Museum volunteers are very important. They help on the collections and provide additional resource to organisations which are usually charities and under constant threat of cuts themselves.

Knowsabitabouteducation Sun 17-Feb-13 17:41:41

Pah. She needs to understand market economics.

Cornycabernet Sun 17-Feb-13 17:42:12

'companies have to make arrangements around it, then if you don't do this you may suffer a benefit withdrawal because you have messed them around and they are therefore going to suffer as a result of that.'

he really means that the huge company will miss out on their slave labour hmm

he wants the poor to suffer alright

TheCrackFox Sun 17-Feb-13 17:43:44

Supermarkets are making humongous profits, I don't see why I, as a tax payer, should subsidise their profits. The least they can do is pay their staff the minimum wage.

ivykaty44 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:44:39

So he doesn't like the judges ruling on this, the law of the land went against him....

Out of touch and law breaker

Meglet Sun 17-Feb-13 17:44:58

yes, he is.

akaemmafrost Sun 17-Feb-13 17:46:19

Oh Rhiannon I am exhausted by the ignorant nonsense you post on each and every benefits thread. I desperately need a hide poster button just for you.

Trazzletoes Sun 17-Feb-13 17:46:56

He was on the Andrew Marr show this morning. I would have thrown stuff at the tv if it hasn't meant I could actually possibly break it.

badguider Sun 17-Feb-13 17:46:57

An employed shelf stacker may be a good thing indeed. But a free shelf stacker costing the supermarket nothing devalues not only the shelf stacker in question but every other shelf stacker who rightly expects to be paid the national minimum wage for doing their job!!!
This unemployed graduate dud not turn down a job stacking shelves. She turned down the obligation to work at no cost to the supermarket when she needed that time to apply for paying jobs and do voluntary work that would give her new and valuable skills and experience.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Feb-13 17:51:32

Perhaps IDS doesn't understand the contribution to the economy from all those mining, oil, gas companies who frankly, would be a bit buggered without geologists.

Knowsabitabouteducation Sun 17-Feb-13 17:52:40

I have an engineering degree, but the first job I took after graduating was in a department store. It took me until the April after graduation to find an engineering job.

It never occurred to me that I shouldn't be a shop girl for those months. I think my future employers appreciated that I had a work ethic.

moondog Sun 17-Feb-13 17:53:30

<total aside>
Gosh Mary, have not seen you posting for ages.
How are you? smile
(Current apoplexy aside)

TheCrackFox Sun 17-Feb-13 17:54:27

Knowsabitabouteducation - did you earn more from shelf stacking than being on the dole?

Knowsabitabouteducation Sun 17-Feb-13 17:55:32

Obviously BP, Shell etc don't see the value of this particular geology graduate either. I imagine they collectively took on some graduates though - but this particular one didn't shine to the same extent.

LunaticFringe Sun 17-Feb-13 17:56:32

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MaryMotherOfCheeses Sun 17-Feb-13 17:56:57

But if you want to work in geology, volunteering in a museum does demonstrate a work ethic. Just as much as having a job in a shop.

It's not an either / or issue. It's not about one being better than the other. They are both perfectly valid things to do and IDS is being an arse for thinking that the general public do not appreciate this.

I'm doing good thanks Moondog but am currently a little bit rattled grin

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