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SucksFakeSanta Mon 10-Dec-12 22:35:32

I am ashamed to be from NI.

Thank goodness there has been no loss of life, but some people have had terrifying experiences.

My DC are now scared of 'the flag people' after the route to my DTSs birthday dinner was blocked by a mob earlier this evening.

Seriously fed up with it all. Cannot imagine what it must be like to be working in retail or tourism at the minute.

mathanxiety Thu 13-Dec-12 18:33:04

Yes the tribal voting pattern means there is a lot of tunnel vision wrt ideology. That is why voting Alliance is seen as such a poke in the eye by hardliners.

Mansion House Dublin showing tricolour, EU flag and possibly Dublin flag or standard of the Lord Mayor of Dublin, or possibly Leinster flag. The Mansion House is the Lord Mayor's residence. Photo in wikipedia entry shows no tricolour.

Dublin City Hall showing EU flag plus tricolour and that green flag again.

AFAIK, there has never been any resistance to the flying of the EU flag.

The Union Jack flew over government and municipal and county government buildings in Ireland during the Queen's visit. There have been calls to fly more Union Jacks in order to keep Ireland an attractive place for British tourists. The relative lack of Union Jacks in Dublin is possibly due to a long held assumption that visitors from Britain are mostly Irish people returning to visit and not British people with no links to Ireland going on holiday or for wild weekends, etc.

claig Thu 13-Dec-12 19:07:07

I really meant resistance to flying only the EU flag and not flying a national flag. That doesn't happen yet, but who knows it might one day.

I didn't realise that the Union flag flew when the Queen visited. Were there no objections from Irish nationalists?

ChablisLover Thu 13-Dec-12 22:06:17

Any one hear of this rumour of bringing the province to a stand still on the 17th with protests?

wannabedomesticgoddess Thu 13-Dec-12 22:12:20

DP says they are trying to organise that Chablis.

Doubt there will be enough people really. People have lives to lead.

ChablisLover Thu 13-Dec-12 22:23:02

I think there might be enough. Somehow I doubt that people will be getting on with their lives.

I think these people don't have anything better to do than disrupt traders and normal working people trying to get home from work.

It took some colleagues over 2 hours to get home on Tuesday night. Surely that's just turning people against your cause. Even those who would inherently agree with the protestors view.

wannabedomesticgoddess Thu 13-Dec-12 23:12:05

Theres not enough people for the whole province surely? Everyday the numbers are falling.

ChablisLover Fri 14-Dec-12 06:35:12

But for a large protest numbers may swell.

I am hopeful like you that the numbers are falling and they are now largely peaceful if somewhat disruptive

Reminds me now of the drumcree protests the year they blocked roads to cause disruption.

blondie80 Fri 14-Dec-12 12:18:47

This is what you are actually voting for when you vote sinn fein

ethnic cleansing - pope to rule the world?

Northernexile Fri 14-Dec-12 13:41:02

Don't really think that's the case blondie. You're going slightly OTT there. Your source material is dubious to say the least.

KenDoddsDadsDog Fri 14-Dec-12 21:33:59

Oh dear blondie

AmIthatTinselly Fri 14-Dec-12 21:48:00

hmm Blondie, pope to rule the world? Ethnic cleansing? Really?

Honestly, it's people believing crap like this that leads to such nonsense, over a fucking flag.

mathanxiety Sat 15-Dec-12 00:50:45

Dear me, Blondie. Do people still believe all that Home Rule means Rome Rule crap?

There are lots of perfectly good reasons not to vote for Sinn Fein without going completely off the deep end with dire warnings about the Pope hmm.

fedupworking Sat 15-Dec-12 20:03:55

(Have to be honest and say I have not read all the postings of this issue) I live in Northern Ireland and have to say I do NOT agree with riots of any kind, BUT I do believe that the flag of the union should be flown on ever main building just like it is flown in the main land.
How would English people like it if the flag of another country was to be flown in their town halls and public buildings?
Yes it is not right that people should be harassed on a daily basis with riot’s and thugs (for want of a better word) but we don’t all live in a normal society , Just look at the riots that took place in Manchester and the rest of England before jumping on the band wagon branding us all with the one stick, and Northern Ireland is part of the U.K.after all and hopefully will remain part of it for a very long time .

DioneTheDiabolist Wed 19-Dec-12 17:00:18

*Operation Standstill*hmm is planned for 6pm on Friday evening, but I think some are planning to start at 4pm. It's supposed to be the biggest protest so far. Traffic will be chaos folks so plan accordingly.sad

cocolepew Wed 19-Dec-12 17:03:59

Shit, its my works do on friday. We'll be travelling into Belfast around 5.30-6.00.

wannabedomesticgoddess Wed 19-Dec-12 17:10:24

Oh ffs. I need to do xmas shopping.

FGS. Is there any lists of which roads are to be blocked?

cocolepew Wed 19-Dec-12 17:13:18

You can usually find them on utv website or the newsletter one. But I've only come across them on the day, not in advance. There is usually a list somewhere on facebook.

cocolepew Wed 19-Dec-12 17:17:36

Keep the union flag flying over belfast city hall fb page has some listed.

wannabedomesticgoddess Wed 19-Dec-12 18:15:48

Thanks. Its going to be a nightmare.

mathanxiety Thu 20-Dec-12 04:28:29

'How would English people like it if the flag of another country was to be flown in their town halls and public buildings?'

How do people who consider them selves Irish feel when a flag that dates from 1801, when the Act of Union of Great Britain and Ireland was passed, flies over their neck of the woods? The flag's name was originally Union flag and is really only called the Union Jack when it flies on board a ship. Union is not everybody's cup of tea. 1801 was not a happy year in Irish history.

Just sayin...

Cachaca Thu 20-Dec-12 09:27:29

"How would English people like it if the flag of another country was to be flown in their town halls and public buildings?"

fedup, you are being disingenuous. That, for thousands of Irish people, is the entire point. I am Northern Irish, British by birth/passport, and can see that quite clearly.

fedupworking Thu 20-Dec-12 09:49:56

I am also just saying, Northern Ireland is still part of the UNION, that is why the Union flag fly's on public buildings and should not be removed until we are no longer part of the Union

KenDoddsDadsDog Thu 20-Dec-12 10:00:48

No , you said "the flag of another country". The union is not a country.

Stokes Thu 20-Dec-12 11:54:21

No one is talking about flying anything other than the Union Flag over City Hall - just not flying it every day. In line with the vast majority of civic buildings in the UK including, I believe, Westminster.

For some, the Union Flag is a symbol of their cultural identity which huge meaning. For just as many, it means You Are Not Welcome Here and has been used in intimidation. And vice versa for the tricolour.

The history and cultural make up in Northern Ireland means compromise from both sides will have to be the order of the day for some time to come if we're going to keep peace. Not flying the flag everyday is a compromise.

Although how anyone can care about anything beyond stopping the riots & violence at the minute is frankly beyond me.

mathanxiety Sun 23-Dec-12 02:04:56

Compromise is such a huge part of accepting that NI now lives in the present and for the future it is such a pity to see Robinson and his cronies irresponsibly riling up the rock throwing crowd to make a gesture against it. There has been far too much reference to the past (800 years of oppression, Battle of the Boyne, Glorious Twelfth, Covenant, Ulster Says No, etc ad nauseum) in the public life of NI -- and where has it got anyone? Very frustrating to see the past invoked again, including the recent past when stone throwing and intimidation resulted in almost 40 years of disaster and blighted lives no matter how you look at it.

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