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Good news - peak oil theory seems to be untrue

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claig Sat 08-Dec-12 13:32:15

'The so-called ‘peak oil’ theory, which suggests that within the foreseeable future the world will run out of fossil fuels — coal, oil and gas — has never looked more absurd.'

'The green lobby, of course, is terrified that, despite the promotion of expensive and heavily subsidised wind power at the heart of the Energy Bill — a subsidy paid to a considerable extent by poor householders through their bills to wealthy landowners with wind turbines — the emergence of large supplies of cheap gas will make this policy unsustainable.
Hence the scare stories, lapped up by the BBC in particular, about shale oil and gas extraction causing earthquakes and pollution of the water supply.

Needless to say, there is no substance whatever in these scares.'

What will the think tanks and elite lobbies do now in order to stop the growth and progress of ordinary people?

claig Tue 11-Dec-12 22:33:50

Boulevard, the world really runs on politics, and climate change is about politics not science. Corbyn says it a a fraud.

Climate change is about wealth redistribution from the rich countries to the poor, from the poor people in the rich countries to teh rich people in the poor countries. It is to slow industrialisation and growth in the developed world and to pay the developing countries to slow industrialisation and growth for their people.

'But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.'

claig Tue 11-Dec-12 23:23:42

'you're off base in castigating the BBC in particular for reporting it. It was relevant news, they reported it. That's what they do.'

I like the BBC. It's all we've got. But many people believe it has a bias over climate change as well as other issues that suit the elite and establishment. That is only natural.

If reporting news is what they do then why didn't they report on Climategate as soon as they knew about it?

'The controversy surrounding the global warming e-mail scandal has deepened after a BBC correspondent admitted he was sent the leaked messages more than a month before they were made public.'


However, Hudson does not explain why he sat on the controversial information for so long'

'The leak comes ahead of inter-governmental talks in Copenhagen next month which campaigners have argued is a last opportunity to prevent irreversible climate change.'

Was that the Copenhagen conference before which we were told that we only had 50 days left to save the planet? Did the BBC believe the 50 days bit and not want to publish the information during those 50 days?

PigletJohn Tue 11-Dec-12 23:24:43

hi claig

so if we look at 120 years records, and see this do we deduce that the world is cooling?

PigletJohn Tue 11-Dec-12 23:28:57

is any of this untrue?

claig Tue 11-Dec-12 23:30:00

Comments of Daily Mail readers to the article are interesting. Lots of people don't believe the climate change scam, in fact the majority of the people in the country don't believe it. They agree with Dr Piers Corbyn that it is a gravy train and a fraud. Alex Jones says that it is the biggest fraud in history and it will eventually collapse. Time will tell, we will have to wait and see.

PigletJohn Tue 11-Dec-12 23:33:22

If Daily Mail readers believe that vaccination causes spontaneous combustion, does that make it true?

claig Tue 11-Dec-12 23:50:26

PigletJohn, have a look at a link called "Real Science"

it talks about data being changed etc.

claig Tue 11-Dec-12 23:55:52

'If Daily Mail readers believe that vaccination causes spontaneous combustion, does that make it true?'

There isn't a single Daily Mail who believes such a thing. Please do not attribute the beliefs of Guardian readers to the Daily Mail reader!

PigletJohn Wed 12-Dec-12 00:25:04

there have been lots of daily mail readers who believed that vaccination caused other things, based on lies and fantasy from a single publicity-seeking nutter.

I can see a parallel.

GrimmaTheNome Wed 12-Dec-12 09:43:59

OK, got it. Lets stop listening to real scientists and form our opinions based the Daily Mail comments. Good plan.

The sad fact is that the majority of people in this country are pretty much functionally illiterate when it comes to science and statistics. I don't mean they're all stupid, far from it - just undereducated.

MiniTheMinx Thu 13-Dec-12 20:01:20

I tried watching it claig, the man's a loon

Fracking in the new today

claig Thu 13-Dec-12 20:33:23

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claig Thu 13-Dec-12 20:53:08

Very good Channel 4 News video report about fracking. Debate with Caroline Lukas and a filmmaker about fracking starts at about 4.30

MiniTheMinx Thu 13-Dec-12 21:33:02

It's the machine gun delivery. Why do all american presenters shout? I have watched a few of his shows but he gets on my tits grin

There are a lot of reports about water contamination in the states. Must do some more reading. There are plans to start fracking not far from where we live.

claig Thu 13-Dec-12 21:41:26

You are right that his delivery gets on lots of people's nerves. He is a bit hyper and rapid fire. He knows lots and tries to get it all out in one go in a short time scale. His hyperness is annoying.

Yes, I am not sure it is safe. When I first heard about it I thought it was unsafe. But having read Lawson saying it is safe, has got me wondering if there if the safety fears are being hyped by greens etc. just like they hype climate catastrophe and tipping points.

I am not sure yet. Will have to wait and see.

claig Thu 13-Dec-12 21:45:58

Lujas didn't seem to play up earthquakes or water pollution, which is interesting. She seemed more worried that it might mean that we do not meet our climate change "targets".

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