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Train Guard Found Guilty Over Girl's Death

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blisterpack Wed 14-Nov-12 22:38:58

I saw this article today and am really confused. How can a train guard be found guilty of manslaughter when an accident like this happens? And the quote from the poor guard,
McGee told the jury he thought Georgia was moving away from the train when he gave the signal to depart. He also said he did not know how drunk she was.

Should he have known then? confused

sashh Sun 25-Nov-12 05:48:13

I also agree with those who think it's mad that he gets 5 years while motorists get sod all


This man was paid to make sure things like this don't happen. That is why his job exists.

Northernlurker Sun 18-Nov-12 20:53:18

Exactly. This is a reasonable conviction and a sentence in line with the magnitude of the offence.

FastidiaBlueberry Sun 18-Nov-12 20:41:22

If it weren't nauseating, it would be quite funny to hear a bunch of mothers talking about how a dead child should have had more of a sense of personal responsibility while totally exonerating the lack of it in a grown man who was being well-paid to have one.

How much we expect of teenage girls and how little of (paid) grown men.


MrsDeVere Sun 18-Nov-12 20:33:10

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edam Sun 18-Nov-12 19:59:44

I don't blame the parents but apparently they have been vociferous in blaming everyone else, inc. the family of the birthday girl. Which is a. wrong and b. unfair given they weren't around for whatever reason.

anniewoo Sun 18-Nov-12 19:53:22

I feel really really sorry for the guard.
Personal responsibility has gone out the window.

CindySherman Sun 18-Nov-12 19:47:56

Was she her only child sad

expatinscotland Sun 18-Nov-12 19:45:42

I can't say I blame the parents. She was 16, her mother's only child.

I think that motorists who kill should receive harsher sentences in line with this person's, however.

CindySherman Sun 18-Nov-12 19:43:30

The correct and decent thing to do when you see a young girl/man drunk and vulnerable trying to get to her friends is to help and assist and do something to remove her/ him from danger. Not deliberately hurt them.

I honestly think anyone blaming her parents for this are quite disturbed and lacking in basic humanity.
I sincerely hope and pray your children don't make one error of judgement out there in the wide world and encounter a rapist/ murderer/ spiteful person who has no regard for their safely or wellbeing.

SaraBellumHertz Sun 18-Nov-12 19:25:01

Pinkforever - how do you feel about boys that are drunk and get bottled in a club or girls who are raped having been let out the house at 16? Is that also their fault?

5madthings Sun 18-Nov-12 19:15:14

Hiz job was to ensure the train deoaeted safely, he didnt do that so yes he is culpable.

We can argue till.the cows come home about terns getting drunk etc but its something that teens do, you can say your child wont do it like but unless you physically kerp or folliw them around when rhey are out you arent going to stop it.

I was a top set student at a grammar school, i still went out and got drunk underage, thankfully i didnt come to any serious harm, which was down to luck.

Nobody us saying it is ok for teens to get drunk/take drugs but it does happen and this girl didnt deserve to die. The man in question was neglegent and didnt do his job properly.

FastidiaBlueberry Sun 18-Nov-12 19:07:49

I also agree with those who think it's mad that he gets 5 years while motorists get sod all, but I just think motorists should get higher sentences for killing people while driving when it's their fault. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that you serve 5 years if you kill someone unintentionally because of your own negligence (as opposed to a genuine accident) whether you're a bus driver, a train guard or a car driver.

Northernlurker Sun 18-Nov-12 19:05:42

The lass was drunk and had used some drugs. BUT had it not been for the neglect of the train guard, in all probability she would have got home safe with her mates. Reading the report it's obvious that her mother feels understandably bitter by the impression given of her daughter in court. The guard should have ensured everybody on the platform was clear of the train. He failed in that and somebody died. He may talk of all the surrounding circumstances all he likes but fact remains that he didn't do his job. The lass was right there in front of him and he didn't do his job. 5 years for a life lost is fair enough to me. Blaming her parents is vile btw.

FastidiaBlueberry Sun 18-Nov-12 19:05:26

It's absolutely right that this man is in jail.

There is no way he could have not known what he was doing, the platform is clear, the girl is banging on the window and trying to get back on the train. Why didn't he let her? Why did he have such hostility to a drunken teenager, that he was prepared to at the very least separate her from her friends while she was in a state and at the worst, risk her death, which it is HIS JOB to try and prevent?

I can't understand why everyone's so sympathetic to him, what he did was intentionally cruel. Of course I don't think he deliberately killed her, he obviously didn't think she'd die, but his motivation in not letting her back on to the train when she was a drunk vulnerable kid, is highly questionable and I remember the horror I felt when I first heard this story, that someone would have been so nasty to a drunk teenage girl even without the tragic consequences.

The self-righteous bastards who talk about how it's her parent's fault because she was drunk, would it have been OK if she'd been 20 and at uni, so out of her parent's care? Just remember your kids might one day make a mistake and drink too much and hope to God that they don't come across a pissed off bus-driver or train guard who has seen one too many drunken young people that night and can't be bothered to be patient and decent.

Pinkforever Sun 18-Nov-12 18:46:21

Fanjo I am sorry for their terrible loss-it must be horrific-but that doesnt take away from the fact that I have a daughter and there is no way in hell she would be going out and getting pissed and high at that age. No way.

I understand that the driver had a responsibility to his passengers but I still think that the sentence was disproportionally harsh...

fanjoforthemammaries7850 Sun 18-Nov-12 18:23:26

I hope they never read that

Pinkforever Sun 18-Nov-12 18:19:23

Of course her parents have to take some of the blame-they allowed their underage child to go out and get blind drunk and high and not only condoned it but tried to normalise it.

CindySherman Sun 18-Nov-12 17:21:35

A young Woman's life is really worth nothing to some people.

lionsgate Sun 18-Nov-12 17:19:38

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CaptainDennyisDead Sun 18-Nov-12 16:09:52

I think but no idea of the legalities of it but think it is something to do with him making a conscious decision (active) rather than failing to do something (passive).

diddl Sun 18-Nov-12 13:37:16

Unfortunately, he probably wasn´t thinking at all.

Of course he has been found guilty of manslaughter-his negligence led to her death.

Does that mean that it was deliberate?

CaptainDennyisDead Sun 18-Nov-12 12:14:10

diddl what kind of thought do you think he had? He has been found guilty of manslaughter. He wasn't thinking anything overtly positive.

diddl Sun 18-Nov-12 12:08:12

" the man appreared to have a malicious, spiteful thought"


It wasn´t safe to let the train go-that surely is the end of the matter?

CindySherman Sun 18-Nov-12 11:26:34

Of course the parents aren't to blame how ridiculous.
Justice was done. He purposely sent the train on its way with a vulnerable girl leaning on it. Don't bring her parents into this.

CaptainDennyisDead Sun 18-Nov-12 10:49:53

Rabid, I think you are talking out of your arse. So what if your son has a very strict and sheltered upbringing? At 16 I was in nightclubs and that was a few decades ago. I wasn't heavily into drinking but some that I knew were. I then went onto a good degree, 2 great careers and live a pretty solid adult life, church included. I'm probably verging on Mumsy really, now. The parents were not to blame, the man appreared to have a malicious, spiteful thought and he is paying for it, as he should.

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