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Another mother abducting her 4 children

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SkippyYourFriendEverTrue Wed 17-Oct-12 12:22:29

There's another thread about the Australian woman abducting her children from Italy.

This one involves four children being abducted in similar circumstances but this time between Spain and Wales:

The second time she has done this apparently.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 17-Oct-12 12:24:21

I saw that too... I do feel desperately sorry for these parents, it must be horrible to split up across countries.

Does the father have sole custody? This was unclear in the article.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 17-Oct-12 12:26:54

Sorry, ignore me,it is covered in the DM article, just not the BBC One.

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 15:22:53

Ive been wondering about this today...thinking no way in hell would I tell the police if I saw her and her children!! I wonder if anyone would? confused sad

good luck to her

DuelingFanjo Wed 17-Oct-12 15:24:38

they have been found now.

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 15:33:41

oh sad

Snorbs Wed 17-Oct-12 15:34:04

HonkKongPhooey, if it was a father who had abducted his children, would you tell anyone if you saw them?

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 15:36:08

yes i would

Greythorne Wed 17-Oct-12 15:36:49


HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 15:39:24

because i think Spanish courts are probably sexist
by default I would side with the mother, unless i heard reason that the mother could not take care of her kids
because the kids don't want to return to the father/Spain

Pootles2010 Wed 17-Oct-12 15:43:03

Where does it say they don't want to return? I think you'll find it was a British judge who ordered them to be returned - not that our system is sexist hmm

And siding with the mother 'by default' - I'm speechless, frankly.

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 15:44:35

the newspaper reports say the children didnt want the return
the British judge is upholding the Spanish judges decision
i dont care if you are speechless

Pootles2010 Wed 17-Oct-12 15:46:30

Which one, the BBC one? Sorry can't say I've seen any others. If the British judge thought it was a bad judgement he wouldn't have upheld it.

No can't imagine you do care, like i don't care that much about your opinions, but this being an online chat room we all post our opinions and discuss things...

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 15:53:57

declaring speechlessness, isn't discussing though is it?
its just being arsey

Pootles2010 Wed 17-Oct-12 16:02:00

I suppose I just meant I find that an unbelievable thing to say. Is it because you think women are better parents? Or rather that its easier to empathise with another mother? (Assuming you are a mother of course!)

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 16:08:09

because i think a mother would have to be very desperate to go to those measures

because i assume in most cases the mother has been the primary carer for the children

my opinions are probably formed/clouded by my own experiences ...but aren't everyones

Snorbs Wed 17-Oct-12 16:13:42

I don't read the Daily Mail or follow links to its website because a) I think it's a disgusting paper, and b) a huge amount of its stories are absolute crocks of shit.

But I'm saddened by your willingness to make your prejudices, both against the Spanish judiciary and men in general. You seem to be saying very clearly that you believe mothers are automatically better parents than fathers unless there is clear evidence to prove otherwise. What a depressing outlook on life that sounds.

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 16:17:03

my outlook/life is not depressing

Pootles2010 Wed 17-Oct-12 16:17:49

Hmm, I agree she must have been desperate, but then i'd think that of anyone taking children that are their own. Suppose I don't assume that she would be primary carer as that isn't the case in my own life, and it isn't in many families.

Also I guess I'd assume that the judge would place the children with their primary carer - although I suppose this might not always be the case. But agreed it is a very sad case all round.

HongKongPhooy Wed 17-Oct-12 16:18:18

do you think they should be returned to the father because the spanish judge ruled that?

Pootles2010 Wed 17-Oct-12 16:21:16

Is that to me? Erm i guess so, yes, as there hasn't been any reporting of some gross miscarriage of justice. Obviously I don't know all the ins and outs, but on what little I know, yes.

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour Wed 17-Oct-12 16:21:17

Snorbs I agree with everything in your post

Snorbs Wed 17-Oct-12 16:53:21

Yes I do think they should be returned to Spain because I'm guessing that the Spanish judge probably knows a bit more about the case than appears in the Daily Mail.

Plus the Hague Convention on child abduction is a very important piece of protection for all of us who have children; it would weaken it severely if judges in the country to where the children have been abducted could decide to ignore it on any but the most pressing of grounds.

What I find frankly astonishing is that this is a situation where one parent is granted custody of the children and the other parent then decides to move to a different country altogether. WTF?

If she was so keen to protect the children from their alleged monster of a father, why did she leave them and travel thousands of miles away to live in Wales? Why didn't she stay in Spain so she could see them regularly and maintain a constant presence in their lives?

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Oct-12 16:58:49

If she was so keen to protect the children from their alleged monster of a father, why did she leave them and travel thousands of miles away to live in Wales? Why didn't she stay in Spain so she could see them regularly and maintain a constant presence in their lives?

I wondered this. And sadly, her actions yesterday and today make holidays for the children with her in Wales a lot less likely in the future. How is she going to see them now? It seems an inexplicable action-bound to fail, bound to cause havoc.

Allegations of mistreatment have been made, but the oldest of the children voluntarily returned home to her father in Spain.

These cases are just awful.

zippey Wed 17-Oct-12 17:02:52

I think its unfair to judge either parent as we do not know the whole situation. However, it is wrong for any woman or man to snatch the children from their primary carer as if the children are in some way a possession of the abductor.

Ive heard too many stories recently of parents who kill their children in selfish sensless acts. The abductor here should see some prison time in my opinion (esp if this isnt the first time they have done this)

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