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Justin Lee Collins found guilty

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FreudiansGoldSlipper Tue 09-Oct-12 14:40:11

just heard

good a man just hmm slapping his girlfriend, being verbally abuse is taken serioulsy sometimes

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 18:52:58

I don't believe that a man goes through a nine year marriage with two kids, never laying a hand on or abusing her in any way, being 'generous and kind' and suddenly wakes up at 38 years of age and becomes a pschyotic abuser.

Not a chance.

Emotionally abusive fantasists are adept at manipulating people to bring out the worst reaction so that they can claim victimhood, if they don't get one they make it up. This woman reminds me of a few such toxic individuals I've have the misfortune of coming across. Everyone believes them until they see the crazy for themselves.

Jemma1111 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:54:42

I bet JLC is not feeling so powerful now.


UltraBOF Tue 09-Oct-12 18:54:58

Was that Mel Gibson's excuse too?

mrsrosieb Tue 09-Oct-12 18:57:52

I think lolaflores has a really good point here.

I remember watching Elton John's Tantrums and Tiaras. After the film came out he admitted a lot of his behaviour was cocaine induced. He came across as a total prat on it.

alistron1 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:59:58

He was SUCH a good husband to his wife that while she was at home caring for their 2 very small children, he was on a booze cruise and was pictured snogging/fondling the breasts of the woman he went on to abuse.

And of course such a fine example of a man would probably never do anything like secure his wifes support by maybe threatening to with hold money etc - obviously there is no evidence to support my assertion but such a scenario is not beyond the realms of probability.

DowagersHump Tue 09-Oct-12 19:03:54

So he gets community service and a teenager who posts some offensive crap to his mates on fb gets 12 weeks inside.


lollilou Tue 09-Oct-12 19:04:05

Hey Pagwatch AIBU is a scarey place I started a thread earlier where some of the posters were pretty harsh. Just try and let it wash over you and repeat "I am entitled to my opinion" smile

catwomanlikesmeatballs Tue 09-Oct-12 19:12:31

Alistron; So you're calling the ex wife a liar or deluded because you'd prefer to believe an mentally unstable alcoholic? I believe his ex, sane people with no habit of compulsive lying or attention seeking are usually the more credible than those who do.

How insulting to claim she doesn't know her own mind but we're supposed to believe the crazy ones without question!

alistron1 Tue 09-Oct-12 19:14:23

So, people with issues shouldn't be believed? It's that kind of attitude that caused Jimmy Saville and others to get away with abuse for years. I mean, who'd believe an emotionally disturbed teenager eh?

And of course, his ex wife might not be conditioned by years of abuse or anything, no that sort of thing never happens at all does it?

AnyaKnowIt Tue 09-Oct-12 19:15:50


NettoSpookerstar Tue 09-Oct-12 19:16:46

I'm not pleased about this, not because of JLC, but because it means another woman has been badly treated by a man. sad

owlelf Tue 09-Oct-12 19:18:42

It feels like the judge did think JLC's behaviour prior to abusing this victim was relevant. I'm pretty sure the judge said that he had taken the fact that JLC's behaviour was "out of character" into account when sentencing him.

Personally, I find that concept ridiculous. The jury found him guilty, as such his previous character should be irrelevant to the judge. It's like his victim was somehow less abused because he hadn't done it before.

It seems quite plausible to me that his ex-wife might want to spare her children from having a father convicted of abuse- and so wouldn't testify against him. Or, maybe he had never done it before. Anyway he was found guilty, so to me it is interesting but irrelevant.

Raspberryandorangesorbet Tue 09-Oct-12 19:22:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AuntieMaggie Tue 09-Oct-12 19:24:58

Quite sad as he seemed like a nice bloke when I met him but on the other hand pleased that this shows that 'nice blokes' are capable of treating women like this a concept some still find hard to believe.

EmBOOsa Tue 09-Oct-12 19:26:00

There was a recording of him abusing her, and I assume other evidence that we haven't been privy to - enough that a jury found him guilty. And yet there are still fuckwits trying to cast doubt on the victim. For those people - you should be ashamed of yourselves sticking up for a vile bully and (convicted) abuser

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 08:25:24

Re Chipstick, why does everyone on here have to round on the person who has a different view, and then not content with that, lay into them for their punctuation and spelling to boot? The Sian/Sion Jenkins thing - grow up.

Glad I wasn't at school with some of you lot. I can only imagine what you were like back then.

CaseyShraeger Wed 10-Oct-12 10:00:05

The only way in which you could "manipulate" someone into saying the things he was recorded saying is by telling them it was a script you wanted them to read. And JLC didn't go with that defence - he said it was an argument and that "everyone has arguments".

A decent person wouldn't say the stuff he was recorded saying; the thought processes behind it just wouldn't occur to them. A man who not only thinks it, but says it and doesn't see the difference between that and an "argument" is an abusive tosser. Even if everything else were made up. Even if his XP had a degree in manipulation from Manipulation University. He condemned himself entirely out of his own mouth IMO.

Women have such a problem being believed when they report domestic violence and abusive behaviour. Its really depressing when someone is convicted of abusive behaviour and even then posts appear that seem to suggest the victim is in some way responsible e.g. oh well he never did it before (subtext so what was it about the victim that made him do it this time).

So perhaps you need to grow up take a step back and look at why people are disagreeing with someone's viewpoint

I think this bbc article should be required reading for everyone

ChooChooLaverne Wed 10-Oct-12 10:20:16

Brilliant that he was convicted.

Rubbish that he didn't get a proper sentence.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 10:43:49

dilys Would you rather we said, "so you believe that despite there being enough evidence for the jury to find him guilty that he is innocent and the victim is a liar? It's your choice hun"?

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 12:11:15

Happy for people to disagree and I completely understand why you did disagree with that post on the wife, but I think women on here can get rather mob-handed about it, particularly around reading into what someone has said and pouncing on it, hinting that the person posting the comment is unenlightened/somehow an enemy of women everywhere. And then about 5 of you pile in.

But it gets really unedifying when people criticise others' use of punctuation/spelling because they don't agree with the sentiment (rather than focussing on what they have actually said). It hints that you think the poster is a bit thick and it's petty and silly. If you feel so strongly about these issues, you should stick to the issues.

EmBOOsa Wed 10-Oct-12 12:14:22

Tbh I read the Sion/Sian thing as the poster genuinely asking if they meant Sion.

It was meant as EmBOOsa said. I couldn't think of a case involving a woman so assumed it was a mix up with Sion. If the poster had written Shaun or Sean instead of Sion I wouldn't have queried it because they are all variations on a male name whereas (as I am sure you know) Sian is a woman's name.

DioneTheDiabolist Wed 10-Oct-12 12:28:26

A long time ago I worked in the entertainment industry. A very lovely and good friend of mine went apeshit at an employee that I had sent to the set. I was shock and couldn't understand it (I had known this man for a number of years and nothing like this had happened before). However I believed my employee.

It turned out that one of his old friends was in town at the time and they had been on a coke bender that weekend. So it would not surprise me that JLC was ok with his wife, but mental with his exGF if he was dabbling.

dilys4trevor Wed 10-Oct-12 12:29:59

Oh come on.

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