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"Sex offender doctors can't be banned in case it breaches human rights"

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NameChangingYetAgain Tue 25-Sep-12 14:49:26

From the Telegraph

Can anyone explain to me why the fuck they can't?

RagingDull Tue 25-Sep-12 22:39:05

well i reported so thats fine.
i stand by saying that this poster is argumentative and unpleasant.

scaevola Tue 25-Sep-12 22:39:09

Automaticity and the SOR in itself has also been problematic following a Supreme Court ruling: Guardian article about this and it does look as if it's the EU Human Rights angle that lies behind it.

RagingDull Tue 25-Sep-12 22:39:31

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 22:39:55

Hang on a minute! Why was I deleted? That's ridiculous!

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 22:41:35

I said nothing offensive or inflammatory.

lljkk Tue 25-Sep-12 22:41:48

It happens to the best of us, Seeker. wink

edam Tue 25-Sep-12 22:45:36

No, you didn't seeker, can't understand the deletion. Nor why insults directed at you are allowed to stand while the person making them goes running to MNHQ to have your posts deleted.

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 22:47:40

When I think of the stuff that's allowed to stand.....

I don't hold with deletions at all except in very rare circumstances- but this one really beggars belief.

lljkk Tue 25-Sep-12 22:47:42

Well, imho, I thought Seeker's comment was sharp & personal, but basically.... this isn't a forum for Free Speech. It's MNHQ's call what content stays. They are the publishers. Go stand on a street corner if you want actual free speech.

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 22:48:25

Explanation, please, MNHQ.

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 22:49:38

What was "sharp and personal"?

lljkk Tue 25-Sep-12 22:52:59

Oh Fig, I dunno remember exactly what you said only my impression of it, and if I could remember the exact words i'd have to repeat which probably means me deleted too.

Let it go Seeker, shouldn't we all be in bed now, anyway?

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 25-Sep-12 22:53:14


Hang on a minute! Why was I deleted? That's ridiculous!

Hi there
We deleted because it contained personal information

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 25-Sep-12 22:55:08

NB we have deleted attacks made by the posted "outed"
Please do report anything you think we ought to see thanks
and Peace and love all (must take off international peace day name change blush)

lljkk Tue 25-Sep-12 22:55:46

I got deleted for making up a silly rhyme which basically ended in stating that another poster was talking poo; it was obvious joke whereas yours was more direct (?harsh, judgemental) opinion on presumed other poster's background.

Just let it go.

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 23:00:40

The other poster outed herself. I was not harsh or judgemental.

And exactly who are you to tell me to "let it go"?

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 25-Sep-12 23:02:22

Peace and Love

crazynanna Tue 25-Sep-12 23:04:25

I think Olivia has been making her own cigarettes' wink

OliviaPeaceAndLoveMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 25-Sep-12 23:07:52


I think Olivia has been making her own cigarettes' wink

grin Actually I don't smoke.
Some nights I just want everyone to get along (man)

sashh Wed 26-Sep-12 03:26:55

Only 10 are still in contact with patients without sanctions. There are a whole range of 'sex crimes' and I know I'm going to be flamed but there are differences.

Do any of you remember Sam Fox appearing in page 3 aged 16? Those images are now classed as child porn.

A child has criminal responsibility from age 10, so a child who looks up the skirt of another child can be a sex ofender, as can a child looking at internet porn.

We do not have the details of what these doctors have done, we do not know what their punishment is.

I think the GMC is right not to automatically bad doctors but take things on a case by case basis.


You can be put on the SOR for a nmber of years, or you can apply after 10 years to be removed depending on the circumstances.

A CRB check just shows if you have a criminal record and what for. Hospitals / schools / boy scouts etc have to check individuals but that's it. Just to check, there are no rules about a CRB being clean, or not having a criminal record.

I think the GMC, rightly or wrongly, also take into account a doctor's work / research.

Say your child was ill, seriously ill. There is only one doctor in the UK who can opperate to change your child's life.

Two years ago at a social event they grabbed a colleague's breast. They have been to court and given a reeducation programme as punishment. During the course the Dr realises how innapropriate the action was and is truly sorry.

Now are you going to say that Dr should not operate on your cchild?

I know that Drs can and do behave appaulingly aat times, but I think if you lump them all together and any conviction stops them working as a Dr, or even researching you are doing a disservice to some.

pumpkinsweetie Wed 26-Sep-12 06:09:15

The bloody human rights brigade starts its lunacy again!
The innocent members/victims lifes should be protected from predators but yet again criminals rights come firstsad

seeker Wed 26-Sep-12 06:33:43

Yep. Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

LonelyCloud Wed 26-Sep-12 06:45:19

I know people, including doctors, who work in hospitals, and all medical staff working with patients have to be CRB checked.

mellen Wed 26-Sep-12 06:48:02

I think that the Human Rights angle is to do with the need for there to be a hearing/ process for banning rather than it being automatic, and that it will depend on the facts of the case, not presence on the sex offenders register (though what the person has done to get there will be taken very seriously by them).

If a doctor is found guilty of any offence at all the GMC are informed. Depending on what the offence is they will investigate and take sanctions. They can act very quickly if needed, they can issue interim orders pending full investigation.

scaevola Wed 26-Sep-12 06:49:31

Pumpkin: did you see that they can be banned, the issue is with extending to automaticity ?

Why is it disgusting that GMC bans strikes off doctors who commit serious offences after a hearing?

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