What is it about Hyde / Hattersley?

[Manicmaria]

Seriously. Hindley - Brady - Shipman - Cregan. It beggars belief.

[Level3at6months]

Well they are very, very depressing places to be.

[Heavensmells]

Pure coincidence? What are you implying?

[Heavensmells]

Why are they depressing level?

[Manicmaria]

Heavensmells Thu 20-Sep-12 22:58:54
Pure coincidence?

Is that really all it is? You must admit, its weird.

[Heavensmells]

I have lived in both places and currently work in Hyde. I honestly believe that it's a Massive coincidence. Outing myself here but my mum lived on the same street as Hindley and Brady when they carried out their awful crimes and we lived in Abbey Gardens when I was a child. It's all a bit wierd though I agree.

[Manicmaria]

Wow Heavensmells, thats fascinating. I must admit, I'm abit of a true crime buff.

[Level3at6months]

Subjective view, grew up nearby in an equally depressing place which hasn't improved. Perhaps I'm being unfair on the area, and I was being moderately flippant. There are worse parts of Manchester. When I heard Hattersley named as the place the policewomen were killed, though, it wasn't surprising to me as a local child who grew up in the 70's/80's when the estate had a terrible local reputation.

[UrIndoors]

They are deprived areas - you might as well ask "what is it about Toxteth / Brixton / Whitehawk?".

Shitty things happen to people living in shitty areas.

[Level3at6months]

That's not to say I think there's anything in the OP's link. Just sad coincidence.

[UrIndoors]

The bigger question is:

Why are people still living in historically shitty areas?

[SwedishEdith]

The crimes are 50 years apart and 2 of your 4 weren't local so, um, coincidence.

[Manicmaria]

SwedishEdith. Erm, yes they were. All within walking distance.

[Heavensmells]

It has had a bad reputation but as with most estates there are good and bad. Both sets of my grandparents have lived on Hattersley since it was built and have always been happy there. Like you said there are much worse places to live in Manchester.
Hyde is not depressing though. Not especially affluent but not deprived either.

[UrIndoors]

The incidence of violent crime is statistically normal for these places.

Rather than focusing on the "woo" aspect of shitty things happening in shitty places, folk should get organised imo otherwise it's just a cheap holiday in someone else's misery (to paraphrase another person born in a shitty place where shitty things happened).

[WilfSell]

Why are people still living in shitty places? Usually because they have no choices and no resources.

One of the big issues in Manchester is that the drugs-gun-gangs culture was 'moved on' from central areas such as Moss Side with some interventionist policing. Sadly it just shifted the economy to East Manchester somewhat.

It's horrible but in most of these cases economics is at the heart of it: if it is apparently more advantageous for young men to run drugs, guns and security than legitimate work, then this is the outcome.

[meditrina]

You could also have picked Lowry, Stuart Hall, Ricky Hatton, Shayne Ward or Timmy Mallet as representative of the areas.

[Manicmaria]

meditrina. Why? Who did they slaughter?

[exmrs]

Ive lived in hyde most of my life and it never used to be this bad, hattersley always had a bad reputation and people never used to admit they lived there as you were mocked for living somewhere classed as the lowest of the low they always said they lived in mottram rather than hattersley,
now it seems young adults cant wait to move near their friends in hattersley and seem proud of the bad reputation that it has of gangs on the streets.

[Heavensmells]

People lumping Hattersley and Hyde in with places like Mosside are barking up the wrong tree though. These places are probably 90% good and 10% bad. All of these vile murderers have brought their shit from other places. Brady, Hindley and Crehan are all from other parts of Manchester and Shipman from another part of the country.

[WilfSell]

But heavensmells, the same was always true of Moss Side too. And Salford. Denying there are any regional problems just because most people in any area are good people is sticking head in the sand.

[meditrina]

meditrina. Why? Who did they slaughter?

No-one at all. That's the point. You can find just as many artists and sportsmen as you can notorious murderers. Neither group is representative. It's not a uniquely bad area, not are murderers the only famous it produces.

[UrIndoors]

WilfSell Thu 20-Sep-12 23:22:33

Why are people still living in shitty places? Usually because they have no choices and no resources.

Yes sorry - it wasn't a rhetorical question - more a comment on "why are shitty places still shitty when decent people try and live there?"

Just to be clear, I am a Manc and have lived in Moss Side and Rusholme in the late 80s / early 90s. I am not casting aspersions.

I just hate the east-Manc hand-wringing that goes with all of this.

[Heavensmells]

There are problems of course. There isn't a gun culture though. I just don't think that it's as bad as the other places because of that incident.

[SwedishEdith]

But Shipman and Brady were not local to the area; they had moved there. They were/are seriously damaged people for whatever reason and that damage would have happened long before they moved to the Hyde area. All completely different types of crimes that happened to be in the same area.

[UrIndoors]

It's as bad as Scouse hand-wringing