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We Believe You - continued

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Frontpaw Tue 01-May-12 16:58:14

The old thread was full. It was the first of a few I think.

Berts Tue 01-May-12 17:04:22

I believe her.

Seeing what some awful people have put on FB/Twitter is sickening and can make you feel as though we live in a rape culture, but let's take heart:

a) The vast majority of Sheffield fans did not support the 'campaign' for a minutes silence in support of twatface Ched;
b) Clayton Macdonald was almost unanimously booed when he dared show his face at his last match;
c) All the football sites' comments pages I've seen have almost unanimously condemned Evans and expressed support and sympathy for the victim.

So the FA is massively out of touch with real football supporters in its refusal to publicly condemn Evans.

Some other interesting points to chew on:

- The sizeable chunk of female Ched supporters (as well as the sizeable chunk of men supporting the victim) demonstrates clearly that this is not a 'Women's Issue' - it's an issue for all decent people.
- An easy way to refute 'Ched supporters' is this: if a man is too drunk to speak or move, is it okay for Ched Evans to have sex with him?

Frontpaw Tue 01-May-12 17:08:09

I do hope his cellmate is not considering getting him blotto to try out this theory. They can get their hands on drink and drugs in porison, can't they?

carernotasaint Tue 01-May-12 17:10:06

I still believe her and i always will.

EggyMcEggMcSandwich Tue 01-May-12 17:10:42

I believe her

Berts Tue 01-May-12 17:12:18

Also, if anyone would like to contact Nick Clegg/the LibDems re Liam Elvish's comments, there's an online contact form here.

Frontpaw Tue 01-May-12 17:14:35

Sadly there are people who will always trust a convicted criminal.

How many times have we seen famous people get away with a crime or rebuild a career after conviction (or having a big questuion mark against them). People will always forgive the rich and famous. Who would put their necks out for this piece of filth is he was plain old Joe Blow? How many loons write to/marry criminals in jail/on death row? There is definately something not quite right there.

Innocent until proven guilty (is that it?). Therefore 'guilty when judged guilty'.

MrsAlexanderSkarsgard Tue 01-May-12 17:31:45

The Telegraph

Hopefully someone close to her will show her this and point her in our direction.

I believe her x

ZZZenAgain Tue 01-May-12 17:33:25

we have a few continuation threads going, can we blend them and have the one thread linked to discussions of the day, so people know where to find the new thread?

Rindercella Tue 01-May-12 17:37:55

Tried to post this on the old thread, but it was full up. This was in response to the post by AJsDaddy:

AJsDaddy fantastic post <and I think I can guess which premership team you support! grin>

I have a feeling the vast majority of football fans (Sheffield Utd fans included) think the same as you. Unfortunately the very vocal minority are just vile in their beliefs and also in their obscene victimisation of a young woman who has already been through far too much in her life.

I hope the FA and PFA actually listen to views such as yours so that they can heed public feeling and take appropriate and necessary steps to strip Evans of his recent award and also to give him a lifelong ban from the game. They need to clearly demonstrate that they will not tolerate such behaviour from any of their players.

ZZZenAgain Tue 01-May-12 17:38:46

another continuation thread.

OracleInaCoracle Tue 01-May-12 17:38:59

want to post on this too, I believe her.

SuePurblyingoodVOICE Tue 01-May-12 17:41:42

I've emailed the Lib Dems, I wonder if I get a reply?

lisaro Tue 01-May-12 17:46:35

She was believed in Court. He was convicted. It's so hard to get a conviction no matter how much you're believed. I think that says a lot.
And Berts is right - it's not a male or female issue - it's about common decency or, for some poor deluded souls, lack of).

Hippihipster Tue 01-May-12 17:56:44

I believe you

WyrdMother Tue 01-May-12 18:34:53

I believe you.

MyDogShitsShoes Tue 01-May-12 19:10:29

Agreed, great (if long!) post by ajsdaddy. Seemed very heartfelt to me.

The overriding feeling I got was sadness though. Pure and simple sadness at what football culture has become.

I'm getting more and more frustrated trying to make the idiots see reason. Yes, I know it's probably impossible but I won't stop trying. To give up is to accept it and I can't do that.

This is my most recent tweet. Any better suggestions gratefully received, I only joined yesterday so not well practised at being so succinct yet!

@MyDogShitsShoes. So many people spectacularly missing the point. Too drunk to say no = too drunk to say yes! #IBelieveHer

SchnitzelVonKrumm Tue 01-May-12 19:18:34

I believe her, and so a jury of her peers.

geekette Tue 01-May-12 19:21:06

To AJsDaddy, It must be really hard to be a welsh, a male and a football fan at the moment. I salute you.

Thanks to those who continued the threads.

I actually joined FB just for this cause. I hope she is getting the support she needs in RL.

As for the libdems, well, they showed their true colours in government. That nut is just digging the grave deeper.

I hope football can get back to being a sport of decency and dignity. I thought it was that way when I was a kid. I glorified it... almost... or was i just deluded?

Fluffymule Tue 01-May-12 19:21:08

I believe her.

dottyspotty2 Tue 01-May-12 19:24:14

I believe her, knowing what it is like to be questioned by the police in these sort of cases it is highly unlikely that anyone in their right mind would be less than trueful it is so humiliating to go through.

fivegomadindorset Tue 01-May-12 19:24:51

I believe her

luzluz Tue 01-May-12 20:07:21

I believe her and so did a jury.

ApocalypseThen Tue 01-May-12 20:08:54

I believe her.

And I'm furious. I'm just incandescent with a rage I haven't felt for a long time with all the stupid rape apologists and women haters whose remarks I'm reading. I'm saying to them - put your photos on the internet so all women can avoid ever having a drink with you since you seem to think that excuses rape.

As to the women rape apologists, I feel really sorry for them. When did we feminists fail them so badly that they think this is OK? That they have so little concept of their rights, freedoms, their bodily integrity? Feminists, we've dropped the ball badly on this one. We've cowered behind the pressure to be all cool and not speak out LOUD about the objectification and pornification of women, we've allowed ourselves to accept the proposition that it's OK to buy sexual access to women if you have the money and that rape is an hilarious topic for jokes. And now people aren't ashamed to come out and blame the victim when rape has serious consequences.

We've got to get serious on this one and resist the pressure going on to minimise these things. We see where it's going in the plight of this young woman who is enduring the most disgusting misogynistic attacks and all kinds of questioning of her behaviour when she did nothing illegal.

This has to change. Our collective feet have to go down to put an end to this. I - for one - have had enough. And I suspect all the women and men here have too.

SeaHouses Tue 01-May-12 20:16:26

I believe her.

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