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Cease extradition of Mother's young son to USA. 'The Fight of Her Life' Julia O'Dwyer, Richard O'Dwyer.r

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Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 12:59:12

Fellow Mum's please could you support this mother in her campaign to cease extradition of her young son to the USA. Please visit her blog Thankyou

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:13:05

thank you for that horse

i have a DS of 20 who has AS, and im just going to pop upstairs and ensure that he has seen this.

i think they the US are simply making an example of him. sledgehammer to crack a nut, and he himself did not actually appear to do anything other than direct users to other file share sites, which isnt a crime here, but is in the US? How many laws of another country do we break with no consequences?

seems harsh to me and i felt for him mum in that BBC report.

abendbrot Sat 21-Jan-12 16:25:17

Vesta it might be better to start a new thread with proper links etc. This one seems to have got off to a bad start.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:28:29

abendbrot I am new to this, how do I do that?

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:30:43

pick your topic and just hit the link at the top which says start a new thread in this topic.

Chat topics disappear after so many days.

might be better to start one elsewhere - maybe 'in the news' and try not to pm anyone or get defensive. it doesnt help your cause.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:34:18

Thankyou for both advice and instructions, I will try that.

spenditwisely Sat 21-Jan-12 16:40:01

When you post a link, click the 'convert links' button - and make sure the link is accurate. Try to put as many links in the OP as possible (well not millions but 3 or 4) and explain clearly about the issue in the original post. smile

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 21-Jan-12 16:46:14

i would link that BBC news report aswell - it expains what has happened better than the blog link.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 17:25:29

spenditwisely Thanks again, have tried starting new discussion in 'news' but posted links wrong, am trying to remove this so can re- restart.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 17:27:53

vicarinatutu Thankyou, am trying to remove previous discussions so can restart with new working links including to bbc, thanks again.

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 18:12:24

My thoughts on that? What Sarah Ferguson did over there is not only not illegal here, but is very much LEGAL. Hence the differentiation to me. If what he did was not illegal here, it was only not so by the thinnest of whiskers IMO.

When you dance at the edge of legality, these things happen. The first case of a successful prosecution of Rape in Marriage was considered wrong by some because at the time of the offence the law held that Rape in Marriage did not exist, because consent to sex was given at the time of marriage. So according to your argument he should not have been convicted, yet he was dancing at the very edges of legality, and he and everyone knew that.

Poviding access for people to pirated software is DEFINITELY on the edges of legality.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 19:26:17

chitchatinchaos I see you accept that all of the internet and cyber space should belong to the laws of the USA. That's your prerogative.

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 19:36:25

And I see that you just ignore any part of a post which you don't know how to deal with.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 20:04:27

chitchatinchaos, I got the impression you agree with the USA's extradition request, despite the alleged offense not being illegal here.
I further got the impression that even if the alleged offense was illegal here that you still agree with the USA's extradition request, rather than the offense being tried here, thus giving the USA control over the internet.
Did I misunderstand you?

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 20:41:22

I said that I don't particularly agree with the US extradition laws, but that in THIS case I don't have all that much sympathy, and I have explained why.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 20:49:07

chitchatinchaos am I right in thinking then,that despite not agreeing with the extradition laws, you do however, think that this case should not be tried in the UK but instead in the USA due to your lack of sympathy?

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 20:54:45

I suppose you could say that. Would it interest you to know that US internet companies are obliged to follow EU privacy laws as they are stricter than the US ones? These companies are allowed to be prosecuted in the EU if they breach our laws even if all of the servers etc are in the US.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 21:06:01

re EU law, thankyou, yes that is of huge interest, do you have any evidence? links? etc to support your statement.
re sympathy, this may or may not help,

spenditwisely Sat 21-Jan-12 21:10:56

Vesta try and take the 'young' bit out of the thread title. He's a young man, yes, but 'young son' implies an under 5.

PaintedToenails Sat 21-Jan-12 21:14:47

I will admit I was painfully ignorant of the Sarah Ferguson/Illegal Taping malarkey.

But I've had a look and you are right. They same rules should be applied to both cases. Extradite them both.

She filmed in an orphanage, covert filming is illegal in Turkey, she committed the crime. Again, ignorance is no defence. I'll say it again. Extradite them both to stand trial in the respective countries.

And no, I have no sympathy for either of them.

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 21:17:53

Start your search here, Vesta. Europa web page

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 21:43:51

spenditwisely - OK.

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 22:09:04

chitchatchaos oh, right. I was under the impression from your statement that you actually knew the laws and could provide specific links, evidence to support your statement.
So whilst I thankyou for your good effort I'm afraid it's no more than myself as a lay person or any other lay person might be able to do.
In the meantime if you do find any specific links to support your statement please feel free to post them on this discussion thread.

ChitChatInChaos Sat 21-Jan-12 22:11:12

Erm, no, why should I? If you're that interested, you follow through!

Vesta2 Sat 21-Jan-12 22:15:51

paintedtoenail thankyou for your contribution to this discussion thread, but please be aware this thread is to raise awareness of the campaign to cease the extradition of Richard O'Dwyer, and as you are obviously not in support,as is your prerogative, whilst you are free to post in this thread again if you feel so moved to do so, it is unlikely that I will reply to any further of your posts.

McPie Sat 21-Jan-12 22:43:34

When you post on a public forum you should expect to get people who see it both ways and no matter how many pm's you send to us who have disagreed with your OP you will not change our minds. He was in the wrong, end off. He is 23 and should be man enough to take his punishment and not hide behind his mother.

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