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Cease extradition of Mother's young son to USA. 'The Fight of Her Life' Julia O'Dwyer, Richard O'Dwyer.r

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Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 12:59:12

Fellow Mum's please could you support this mother in her campaign to cease extradition of her young son to the USA. Please visit her blog Thankyou

Tyson86 Fri 20-Jan-12 13:03:19

Personally if he has done a crime in the US, it is their job to put him to trial. It is illegal what he has done as far as I am aware and 23 is not young. I am 25 and would have to pay for my actions.

Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 20:35:31

Tyson86, Her son has not been to the USA, he was born in and lives in the UK, his alleged offence is not a crime in the UK, if you visit her blog you'd be more informed for any comment that you'd care to make.

Northernlurker Fri 20-Jan-12 20:41:24

23 isn't 'young' and I've looked at the blog - it's very hard to read and understand what's happening. If she wants to use to attract support she needs to make it a lot clearer!

McPie Fri 20-Jan-12 20:41:27

Sorry but tried the link and page is not found.

McPie Fri 20-Jan-12 20:42:21

Ok sorry you have to click the link within the link.

SoupDragon Fri 20-Jan-12 20:45:54

He's 23, an adult. Hardly a "young son".

I agree - the blog is unclear.

Bluebirdpies Fri 20-Jan-12 20:47:44

I'm not clear on why they are seeking extradition. The blog is really unclear. Being harsh but should he not know better? He's 23.

McPie Fri 20-Jan-12 21:01:30

The blog really doesnt help matters as its not very clear, the links to media are mostly Government bashing with a small amount about the son. If he was the gateway to piracy that they say he was then surely punishment should be expected no matter if it was commited in another country as he provided links solely for the use of down loading un-paid for films/shows.

MonsterBookOfTysons Fri 20-Jan-12 21:06:57

Ok Vesta, the blog is what I would call, erm shit! It made me bored so I watched the video at the bottom
He is 23.
He has commited a crime against the US copyright laws.
So it only makes it clear that the US should be the ones to choose his punishment, not the uk.
It is a simple message.
Don't commit a crime if you are going to get all sulky when you get caught.

MonsterBookOfTysons Fri 20-Jan-12 21:09:09

BTW I am Tyson86!

ajandjjmum Fri 20-Jan-12 21:13:47

He did something that is not a crime in the UK - although it is in the USA. The USA want him extradited, so that they can charge him - although there would be nothing to charge him with in his own country, where he committed the 'crime'. His actions were not malicious and caused little harm - and he immediately withdrew his website when told that it was illegal in the USA.

I thought it was interesting that the Home Office said they wouldn't extradite the Duchess of York to Turkey, as she had committed no offence in this country. Surely the same rule should apply to this person also.

Didn't read blog, but really think the USA are being pathetic over this.

Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 21:58:23

Tyson86, I see you accept that all of the internet and cyber space should belong to the laws of the USA. That's your prerogative.

McPie, the USA are attempting to extradite, accusing him of offences that they allege took place in the UK.

Northenlurker, Soupdragon, Bluebirdpies, as far as I'm aware under 25 is considered young in the eyes of the law, let alone by the rest of the population, the majority of whom are over 25.

I've looked at blog again, I'm afraid I can't see what's unclear.

ajandjjmum, Thankyou for making his situation clear, and yes Turkey want to extradite Sarah Ferguson for filming undercover in their country, which is a crime in their country, the UK is not giving permission for Turkey to extradite her as was she did is not a crime in the UK, this same approach must be evenly applied.

mysteryfairy Fri 20-Jan-12 22:09:10

I can't believe the comments here! We all do things that are legal in the UK but illegal in other countries. A woman driving a car or someone consuming alcohol would be committing an offence under the Saudi system. We don't expect to be extradited to face charges when we do these things!

All of this young man's actions took place in the UK where they were legal and when he was a teenager which I count as young. He faces a potentially lengthy sentence in the US, longer than someone might be given for a rape or serious assault in the UK. I can't believe anyone can see any of this as any sort of justice.

spenditwisely Fri 20-Jan-12 22:15:49

The only good that could ever come out of this is that he gets headhunted for a top job at MI6 - which is possibly why the US are wanting him all to themselves.

But it is worrying, I do feel for his mother.

Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 22:15:54

mysteryfairy, sadly I'm not surprised by some of the comments, but am very heartened by yours. Thankyou : )

Vesta2 Fri 20-Jan-12 22:18:22

spenditwisely. Interesting angle, p'haps I'll send them an email and suggest it : )

SoupDragon Sat 21-Jan-12 08:30:39

Vesta, I suggest you don't send me PMs about my comments on this thread. If you have something to say, say it here.

Now bog off and leave me alone.

SoupDragon Sat 21-Jan-12 08:32:41

The blog is chaotic, unclear and incomprehensible. Utterly shit as a campaign front. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean that all the people who pointed it out to you are wrong.

SoupDragon Sat 21-Jan-12 08:33:09

BTW, have now hidden this thread.

Bluebirdpies Sat 21-Jan-12 08:46:13

Interesting. I also got a pm telling me I was wrong.

fivegomadindorset Sat 21-Jan-12 08:58:11

Messy blog and if you do the crime then you ahve to expect to face charges. Blame Mr Blair for the inadequacies in the extradition process.

spenditwisely Sat 21-Jan-12 09:14:41

If you believe what you are doing in the UK is legal, it's fairly safe to assume that it's legal in another developed country like the US. It is a little foolish to assume that it is, but it is understandable and we all make mistakes.

If this lad was peddling pornography or doing something that was illegal here, fair dues to the posters that want to show zero tolerance. This isn't a black and white issue and there is a family out there, devastated and let down by a government that are not supporting them.

If we, as mothers, can't tolerate the alleged crime, that's fine, but a bit of empathy with his family wouldn't go amiss.

spenditwisely Sat 21-Jan-12 09:19:03

And there's nothing wrong with this blog - it does what it says on the tin. Why are posters so blimmin demanding? It's not as though the mn website is the best designed either...

Here's a link that works.

BoysAreLikeDogs Sat 21-Jan-12 09:26:06

okay, those who have had a PM, report to MNHQ if you are uncomfortable with the contents post em here

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