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Gender free passports?

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RedRubyBlue · 20/09/2011 18:18

Good idea? Bad idea? Why?

Do you have a problem with your gender being stated?

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Indith · 20/09/2011 18:23

I don't have a problem with my gender being stated but I do think that a system such as is being introduced in Australia which accounts for those who are not a standard XX or XY and allows people to state a gender other than that which they were born with is a very welcome change in attitude towards gender. I can't imagine anything worse than someone who was born in the wrong body, has undergone years and years of hell, hormone treatment and surgery still having to display their "wrong" gender on official documents.

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RedRubyBlue · 20/09/2011 18:46

Indith

How does that work? Genuinely interested. I worked with a male to female transsexual (correct term?) do they re-register as their new sex or is it a 'fixed' thing that can't be changed?

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niceguy2 · 20/09/2011 20:59

I don't get it. Apart from the miniscule amounts of transgender people, who in their right mind would object to having their sex stated on their passport?

I mean if I am stood at immigration, it's pretty damn obvious I'm a man. So why would I have a problem with it saying Mr on my passport?

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RedRubyBlue · 20/09/2011 21:07

I dislike the whole Ms/Mrs/Miss business but I have no problem with being female added to the details on my passport.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/09/2011 06:46

I'm with niceguy2. Stating gender is a non-problem. If they're going to be checking our retinas or doing body-scans, I'd have thought a basic 'is it a man or a woman?' check isn't exactly intrusive. Have separate issues with 'transgender' people's attempts at recategorisation. Genital surgery doesn't change gender... but that's a whol other matter.

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mummytime · 21/09/2011 06:56

Cogito how many transgender people do you know? Maybe if you knew some your prejudices would lessen.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/09/2011 07:02

I'm not prejudiced, just expressing an opinion.

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meditrina · 21/09/2011 07:20

It doesn't say "Mr" on a UK passport - unless you have had it added to the observations page. Stating gender is done in UK passports simply by M or F on the identity page. This is unrelated to choice of title which hasn't been printed included in passports for years).

I have no problem with an ID document, which stores / can store information including your bodily appearance, stating gender. These are the documents which prove nationality, and which have become vital to security checks when we fly. The level of fraud is shocking already, and I wouldn't want the criminals job to become even easier by removing details.

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RedRubyBlue · 21/09/2011 08:58

What is the correct term? Transgender or transsexual?

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LoremIpsum · 21/09/2011 09:03

What system is that, Indith? I'm in Australia and haven't heard of any changes, nothing obvious comes up on google either.

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Indith · 21/09/2011 17:07

I'm not sure at all on details, I just noticed a little article, just a paragraph really in the paper the other day that it was going to be M, F or X for passports and those who had changed would be able to have a different category than that of their birth with a supporting letter from their Dr.

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5inthebed · 21/09/2011 17:14

I could be wrong, but is transgender a person who ahs had the operation to change sex, and a transexual is someone who dresses up but hasn;t had the op?

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LoremIpsum · 21/09/2011 17:26

Thanks, Indith. Have to apply for new ones for DC early next year, will be interesting to see if they actually do it.

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