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Nurse accused of saline murders...

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LadyBeagleEyes Fri 02-Sep-11 17:50:53

...has been released without charge.
That poor girl, I wonder what the full story is.

Vev Fri 02-Sep-11 18:12:18

Another life ruined by the press. Poor girl. Her life will never be the same again.

CogitoErgoSometimes Fri 02-Sep-11 18:23:08

She's been released because there is inadequate evidence to prove that there has been a crime at all. However, 7 people are dead so something has gone wrong whether it's malicious or accidental and whether she was involved or not. BTW I don't think her life has been 'ruined by the press'... .they reported that she'd been arrested and now they are reporting that she has been released without charge. If any newspaper has overstepped the mark I'm sure she'll be taking advice on sueing.

mycatsaysach Fri 02-Sep-11 18:25:43

lack of evidence doesn't mean innocent or guilty

Feenie Fri 02-Sep-11 18:28:47

But the law in England states innocent until proven guilty, mycatsaysach. You sound like some gossiping old crone muttering about 'no smoke without fire'.

Vev Fri 02-Sep-11 18:29:12

Oh right, her life hasn't been ruined by the press - they named her before she was announced guilty by a Court of Law and her private life was all over the papers.

mousesma Fri 02-Sep-11 18:30:26

True mycatsaysach but if she is innocent the blanket press coverage of her arrest means that the cloud of suspicion will forever follow her. I doubt she'll ever be able to work in nursing again.

mycatsaysach Fri 02-Sep-11 18:31:00

thank you feenie

my post was mean to be neutral

kelly2000 Fri 02-Sep-11 19:12:16

In England lack of evidence does mean innocent.
there are lots of death in hospitals as far as I am aware these were suspicious because of the low blood sugar levels - is that correct? I was wondering if there could have been a problem with the blood tests, as according to reports they cannot work out how the saline was actually contaminated. Is it impossible there was a mistake in the blood test analysis?

VivaLeBeaver Fri 02-Sep-11 19:25:16

Unfortunately there will be people who will say no smoke without fire. I would imagine she's going to struggle at work, there would be a lot of people who wouldn't want her looking after them.

And it seems the deaths stopped once she was arrested. Of course that could be conincidence, it could be another person realised it was the right time to stop or risk being caught but a lot of people will say well it must have been her.

I do feel sorry for her.

BustersOfDoom Fri 02-Sep-11 22:33:35

It would seem the press didn't learn anything after the disgraceful Joanna Yeates landlord affair. Exposing the private life of someone before they have come anywhere close to being convicted of a crime is very wrong and cannot be undone.

The CPS do not drop charges on a whim, they have to be utterly convinced that there is no, or little, evidence against the individual. To drop the charges and release her from prison there must be very little evidence but the damage to her reputation may well be permanent. And to hear the CPS say that there wasn't that much evidence against her but we thought we could gather it eventually is just horrific.

And yes, the deaths did probably stop after she was arrested. Whoever is responsible surely wouldn't be so stupid as to keep doing it and let the scapegoat off free. If it was down to somebody. Chances are it's some god awful cock up.

VivaLeBeaver Fri 02-Sep-11 22:35:43

It was saying on the news just that as it was such a complex case the cps allowed the police to arrest her before they had any evidence like they normally need. Instead in special circumstances the police can say that they don't have any evidence at the minute but they expect to get some. It looks like they didn't get any.

Sidge Fri 02-Sep-11 22:38:29

I believe she's received an 18 month suspension from the NMC anyway so couldn't work even if they had her back.

Her life has been shattered.

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 02-Sep-11 22:41:31

Totally agree with Buster's post.

BustersOfDoom Fri 02-Sep-11 23:22:02

Thanks LBE, this just makes me so angry. That poor girl! Don't get me wrong though, I feel very sorry for the people who died - I would be devastated if it was a relative of mine - but this kind of mess helps no one. I mean - let's lock her up and then get some evidence - I never thought the law in the UK could stoop so low. I was wrong.

FannyFifer Fri 02-Sep-11 23:32:40

As a nurse I really thought this whole case was bloody awful, that girls career and life have been ruined.
I mean, a colleague with a grudge could have said something daft like they saw her with bags of saline or lurking around the medicine cupboard.
I hadn't even heard that there were no charges against her.

BustersOfDoom Fri 02-Sep-11 23:51:09

According to the BBC news website the only evidence against her was her fingerprints being on a bag of saline that had been tampered with. As ward sister she could easily have put that bag in the store/moved it before it had been tampered with. Fingerprints don't say when they were put there. And what kind of idiot, with medical training, who was out to bump off patients would leave their fingerprints behind?

I can't believe someone was charged and remanded on such flimsy evidence. I hope she sues and receives damages like Chris Jeffries did.

shineynewthings Sat 03-Sep-11 09:57:33

"It would seem the press didn't learn anything after the disgraceful Joanna Yeates landlord affair. Exposing the private life of someone before they have come anywhere close to being convicted of a crime is very wrong and cannot be undone."

Yes. And those here saying her life hasn't been ruined - being sent to prison for 6 weeks will leave life long scars already I'm sure. Her whole personal life and probably that of her family has been picked over by the press leaving her open to judgement by association from the mass public.

It's terrible, if the press cannot/won't use some restraint then stronger powers should be brought in to make them bloody start towing the line.

VivaLeBeaver Sat 03-Sep-11 10:42:08

It says in the paper that there is enough evidence to charge her with theft of. Medicines but they're not following that up. Unfortunately the nmc will no doubt use that to strike her off.

I think a lot of nursing staff would be guilty of it, I know I've come home before now and found I've got a vial of unused lignocaine or some paracetamol in my pocket. I've been to busy at the time to take it back to the drugs cupboard or the sluice tom dispose of it, stuck it in my pocket to sort it later and then forgot so it's gone in the bin at home. Could be that innocent.

1944girl Sun 04-Sep-11 00:39:22

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

begonyabampot Sun 04-Sep-11 10:11:58

many of the press did overstep the mark. The photos they used for a start were out to inflame and show her in a negative light. I can't understand how that kind of reporting (as in the Joanna Yates' landlord) can be allowed. If the person is brought to trial surely al the publicity in the media must affect many of those picked for Jury duty. I can't imagine how she is going to get her life back on track - she must be in pieces.

Pseudonym99 Sun 04-Sep-11 16:04:55

Manchester Police need to be removed from investigating the crime, as they seem willing to implicate anybody and cannot be trusted, especially if legal action is taken against them. The police officers involved ought to be charged with assault and false imprisonment. Also, the Department of Health need to replace the management at the hospital, as their incompetent management obviously allowed the situation to occur in the first place.

edam Sun 04-Sep-11 19:39:54

Poor woman. But if her life has been ruined, it's not primarily the press - it was the police who charged her, apparently on the basis that her fingerprints were on a bag of saline. Well hullooooo she's a fecking NURSE of course her fingerprints are going to be on bags of saline!

begonyabampot Sun 04-Sep-11 20:01:15

but the press went to town on making her look as bad as possible. The police charge a lot of people, not always those who are guilty.

edam Sun 04-Sep-11 21:12:23

Very true. But she was charged with a very serious crime, of course the press coverage isn't going to be sympathetic. Sadly these days the first place anyone looks for info is Facebook and very few of us have FB pages that make us look like nuns.

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