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Adrienne Ives, superhero

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debrs4 Sat 13-Aug-11 00:04:51

This is the lady who was in the papers on Friday because she reported her own daughter to the police, having watched her rioting on TV last Monday night. She was on the news in tears over her decision, thinking people will assume she's a bitch. . . . Do we think that? Or do we actually think she's incredibly brave?

organicgardener Sat 13-Aug-11 00:05:48

Brave lady in my opinion.

starlingsintheslipstream Sat 13-Aug-11 00:12:43

Haven't seen this yet. Initial thoughts were, I'd shop people if I knew them but having seen some of the custodial sentences handed, I'm not so sure. Definitely an unenviable position to be in sad.

Tortington Sat 13-Aug-11 00:23:18

SHES brave but i wouldnt do it

edam Sat 13-Aug-11 00:42:38

What starling said. One girl was given six months for stealing a handful of bars of chewing gum, fgs.

organicgardener Sat 13-Aug-11 00:49:35

Didn't this girl nick a telly though?

Tortington Sat 13-Aug-11 00:55:05

MPs stole 30k, 50k, 75k, 100, and even 150k

those that were jailed got 6 months.

well id rather have 150k and get 6 months and be out in 4 tbh

organicgardener Sat 13-Aug-11 00:56:39

MP's got clean away with it and they know it.

We know it.

But fortunately for them we only think we help make the laws.

forehead Sat 13-Aug-11 01:03:27

I bet she regrets it. Some of those sentences are stiff, but magistrates are often stricter than the judges in Crown court as they are magistrates are not legal professionals and are therefore more case hardened. There are also aggravating factors which increase sentences, such as the fact these young girls stole during a riot.
I think they are better off going to the Crown court, before a jury tbh, than pleading guilty in the Magistrates Court

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 13-Aug-11 07:54:52

I think she's very brave and has also possibly done her daughter a favour. I know another mother that turned her daughter in after she was involved with a boyfriend in a motoring offence. Made her tell the truth and suffer the consequences. That daughter showed the boyfriend the door, went on to get a job and is now married and a mother of 2. Hasn't been in trouble again.

'Tough love' doesn't make anyone a bitch.

EdithWeston Sat 13-Aug-11 08:08:11

MN is showing double standards.

Yesterday there was a thread about whether it was good that Natasha Reid had done the right thing and been brave in turning herself in.

Most posters thought she was cynical scum who had only done it before she was caught on CCTV. There isn't really any logical difference here - the mother could be equally cynical on behalf of her scum child and just hoping to get a lighter sentence. The apparent emotion of the first was written off as a cynical ploy - this could apply equally to the second.

I find the automatic sympathy for one group but not another curious. Either it is possible to feel regret, guilt and seek to atone, or it isn't. MN decried the person who had reached that point on her own, but seems to think it is praiseworthy when a third party's intervention is required.

Yes, people should be reporting offenders. But this is ordinary citizen's duty. And she was no braver than Natasha Reid who turned herself in.

bananapirate Sat 13-Aug-11 08:15:22

hmmn, a parent of a rioter has just been served an eviction notice.
bet they would regret turning them in then.
I'm not sure how fair that is.

debrs4 Sat 13-Aug-11 09:09:37

I didn't think I'd do it but seeing some of the madness this week maybe I would. I mean, setting fire to people's flats with them still inside? Hopefully I haven't raised children that evil but if I had then I might well find it within myself to follow Mrs. Ives' example.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 13-Aug-11 10:15:15

@bananapirate.... they're facing eviction whether they turned them in or not. I'm sure some are now weighing up whether it is better to turn their kid in, face the music and hope by taking the initiative they earned some leniency, against hiding them at home & hoping there's no knock on the door. Moral dilemmas the order of the day....

Tortington Sat 13-Aug-11 12:14:14

they get re-housed anyway

OpinionatedPlusSprogs Wed 17-Aug-11 08:02:33

I wouldn't do it. What and get an eviction notice. Fuck the government.

Thumbwitch Wed 17-Aug-11 08:10:09

If a parent of a rioter has turned their child in, then they shouldn't be evicted just because their child was rioting. If they were being evicted anyway, then the rioting child is an irrelevance.

I would like to think I would turn my child in if he was ever stupid enough to get involved in something like this - I've seen the effects of "soft love" (MIL and BIL) and have always sworn I'd never do that, always do tough love. But I would try and encourage DS to go and turn himself in first.

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