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An interesting post on FB in relation to riots

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Ivortheengine8 Wed 10-Aug-11 21:55:42

Found this as the status of a couple of friends and people I knew a long time ago at school around the early 1990's

'RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration!You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!! '

Our school certainly wasn't the best in the area and it had a bit of a bad name back then so I find it interesting how my generation of average kids feel about this and I agree.

Way too many excuses are being made for the rioters, in my opinion it is sheer lawlessness and lack of respect for anything or anyone which I think starts at home.

Lilyloo Wed 10-Aug-11 21:57:27

I firmly agree with this status , think of all the drivel posted on fb this was a very valid point.

tethersend Wed 10-Aug-11 21:58:28

When you say 'interesting'....

FatimaLovesBread Wed 10-Aug-11 21:59:37

I wouldn't say interesting, I might say it's a huge generalisation

Ivortheengine8 Wed 10-Aug-11 22:00:17

Interesting because it is people of my age (30 ish) expressing this opinion.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 10-Aug-11 22:01:19

all the drivel on facebook is annoying, both the stuff in the OP and the blame the Tory cuts brigade (which mostly haven't impacted in actuality yet, that pleasure comes next year).

Ivortheengine8 Wed 10-Aug-11 22:01:36

Generalisation in relation to what?

Asparaguses Wed 10-Aug-11 22:02:33

The message there is that by stopping parents being violent, teachers being violent and the police being violent we lost all discipline and raised a generation of violent thugs. That is a massive cop out in my opinion. A parent can bring up a child with boundaries, rules and respect without hitting them. A policeman can impose the rule of law without handing out a "clip round the ear". A good teacher can command attention and instill knowledge without berating children.

The causes of the riots are much, much more complicated than a lack of physical punishment from authority figures. If only it were that simple.

Ivortheengine8 Wed 10-Aug-11 22:03:02

So what's your opinion then Humphrey?

MJHASLEFTTHEBUILDING Wed 10-Aug-11 22:05:53

Message withdrawn

picnicbasketcase Wed 10-Aug-11 22:06:24

It probably has a small grain of truth to it, but everyone's looking for something or someone definitive to blame, when really an awful lot of the problem is that too many people just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. It's making me quite sad to see racism and BNP opinions coming from people who used to be quite rational. I I've seen a lot of people saying illegal immigrants are behind it all confused hmm

iskra Wed 10-Aug-11 22:07:16

Immigration is relevant how?

twinklypearls Wed 10-Aug-11 22:08:44

It is utter bollocks.

I don't need to hit my child to instill discipline. I can discipline students all day if needed at work and noone pops out of my cupboard to hand me my p45. Listening to the voices of the rioters on the news there they seem to be British born and bred. Of course I have not heard them all. I don't want a policeman to clip my dd round the earhole but she respects the police.

A whole generation is not lost, it is insulting to the majority of law abiding citizens to say so.

Britain is not broke.

Ivortheengine8 Wed 10-Aug-11 22:09:19

Asparagus what are the comlicated issues here then - please eleborate!

I don't want this to turn into an anti smacking thread.
MJHA you probably put it better than me and I don't have teenagers yet of my own.
How can others say that this lack of respect has nothing to do with it?
You have to earn repsect you don't get it on a plate.

FellatioNelson Wed 10-Aug-11 22:10:05

Well I think as an argument it is not terribly well worded, and I don't hold with the notion that we went wrong when we stopped allowing strangers to hit our children, but I do think there is a rather large grain of truth in there.

Ivortheengine8 Wed 10-Aug-11 22:10:35

Or a racism thread.....

Haggisfish Wed 10-Aug-11 22:11:03

It's not, that's the point of the post. Lots of people are trying to make it into an immigration issue, though. And a race issue. i don't think it is - just selfish people with no morals.

FatimaLovesBread Wed 10-Aug-11 22:11:25

I'd say generalisation in that as a 25 year old i'm probably on the cusp of this "whole generation" that we have lost.

When comparing myself to say my Dsis who is 15 years my senior, she grew up when all the things mentioned were tolerated and I grew up when they didn't. Regardless of this we both grew up knowing right and wrong and having descent morals because we had good parenting.

Saying that these rioters of my generation have done this because of the lack of violence from parents and police officers etc is a bit of a cop out and an insult to many parents who have managed to bring up children who are fine upstanding members of society regardless of the "broken Britain" that is mentioned in the post.

twinklypearls Wed 10-Aug-11 22:11:35

I work with young people all day and most of them do respect authority. Are you saying your children do not respect authority - well sort it out then.

I am an effective disciplinarian in the classroom and you will not see a phone, ipod etc in my lessons or any of my colleagues as a rule.

There are pockets of Britain that are broken, not the whole country.

Haggisfish Wed 10-Aug-11 22:11:59

Sorry, cross posted with a million other posts!

HumphreyCobbler Wed 10-Aug-11 22:11:59

my opinion is that it is all a lot more complicated than can be condensed in a simplistic opinion in either direction, and blaming cuts on one hand or saying that they should have been beaten more as children are equally silly positions

I am not claiming to have any of the answers either frankly

ravenAK Wed 10-Aug-11 22:13:05

Absolutely second twinklypearls said. I've never had any difficulty disciplining the kids I teach, & I've never had to grab anyone by the scruff of the neck, ffs.

Utter reactionary twaddle.

usualsuspect Wed 10-Aug-11 22:13:59

The fb status updates are very annoying,I've hidden 2 people already today

FatimaLovesBread Wed 10-Aug-11 22:14:05

*that should be when they weren't not didn't.

twinklypearls Wed 10-Aug-11 22:14:20

I will admit that I had a phase of my career when I found discipline an issue, looking back I was just a bit shit at my job.

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