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T.M.I. =Sex Education for under year 5 and 6 in Primary Schools

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Poeteats4gals Thu 07-Jul-11 01:51:53

Hi fellow passionate Mums!!!

Sex Education is not mandatory ...yet. Perhaps September. Parents have many legal rights in this area. They have a legal right to ask for The Sex Education Policy for the school and to scrutinise it and to ask to see DVD's and they have the right to withdraw their children to go swimming as I did today.

If your child is disturbed in any way by the Sex Ed. materials used in the school you can take your child for counselling and have same recorded by your G.P. and seek legal advice. Groups of parents can go to a solicitor especially if you were not informed. The law after all is there ,supposedly , to protect the innocent...our children whom we entrust to be educated.

Schools telling little kids about Sex Ed.is a bit like schools telling them about the tooth fairy or Santa without telling parents. It deskills us as parents and gives kids too much information , too young...what do you think?

The kids chat about things they don't need to know, simply because they are being taught. It's the Garden Of Eden ....all over again ...knowledge!

How about reading , writing , Maths and leaving Sex Ed to us?

WE so know the stage our kids are at!
Anyway ..has Sex Ed. worked to bring down STD's or teenage pregnancy rates?

Let's have some teaching on self esteem
and gift and talent awareness instead that g further in schools that an e mail and a course at a weekend when its down family time.

We know our kids best in this oversexualised culture and this is best to come from parents as and when it comes up..What do you think?

LovelyDaffs Thu 07-Jul-11 02:27:52

I think you are a bit nuts.
I think that schools do not go into graphic detail with very young children.
I think my children's school already teach them about self esteem and do it very well.
My child has enjoyed having swimming lessons with her class mates, it's a skill and what has it got to do with sex education?
I think you have been reading the Daily Mail.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 07-Jul-11 09:00:21

I think you should actually spend some time in schools because you don't have a clue what really goes on. Most hold sessions on personal development and getting children to think about questions of personal morality and ethics all the way through primary & junior. Knowing about biology and reproduction - topics usually covered in Years 5 or 6 - is not 'sexualising' children. Sensible parents not only understand this but will support or even anticipate what the schools are teaching by providing additional age-appropriate information at home.

Ignorance solves nothing.

BelleEnd Thu 07-Jul-11 09:05:15

You are bonkers. smile

WyrdMother Thu 07-Jul-11 09:27:55

Our primary school invited all the parents to take a look at the dvd's and materials they were going to use for sex ed. They asked for our opinions about the suitability of the material for different age groups as they had some concerns that parts of the DVD for the middle age group were a little advanced, most of the parents present agreed and the dvd will be held back to an older group. In the invitation to the meeting our rights re. withdrawing children from the lesson were made clear.

So, can't answer for what goes on at other schools but ours were very clear and above board, not a sniff of a conspiracy to sexualise our kids early at all.

If anything I thought they were a little naive and did point out that I had heard conversations between the ten and eleven years olds at the gate that made it clear that they were already picking up fairly detailed (though not necessarily accurate) information from somewhere.

I get that you want to tell them yourself, I'm not going to have much of a problem there as my DD had already asked questions and I've answered them but what about those parents who wont explain the facts at all? In the long run I can't see how ignorance is ever a good idea.

seeker Thu 07-Jul-11 09:30:46

I think, OP, that you are part of a pressure group of some kind. I could probably name it but I won't.

AMumInScotland Thu 07-Jul-11 09:31:10

"Schools telling little kids about Sex Ed.is a bit like schools telling them about the tooth fairy or Santa without telling parents" - Er - only if you have brought up your child to believe that the stork brings babies, or that they are commonly found under cabbages! Assuming that you have done what most responsible parents do, and answer their questions in an accurate but age-relevant way, what schools teach them (which they also strive to do in an accurate but age-relevant way) will not undermine your own teaching in any way.

If you have been in a playground recently, I am sure you will know that children chat about all sorts of things - often based on the misinformation of one child who has picked things up very wrongly from inappropriate resources elsewhere (because every class will have at least one child who isn't in bed at the watershed and is allowed to watch adult programs). Therefore the school making sure that all of them have accurate information is far better than either misinformation or ignorance, which are the actual alternatives.

InvaderZim Thu 07-Jul-11 09:50:59

What a silly idea. I've sat through sex ed with yr 4, itcovered basic reproduction and stressed that sex was for adults in committed relationships. There were lots of eeeews and eye coverings.

The same group in year 5 were ready for more serious stuff and handled it well because they'd had a bit of introduction. Girls might already be getting their periods by them, shouldn't they know about sex??

Bramshott Thu 07-Jul-11 09:58:15

"Anyway ..has Sex Ed. worked to bring down STD's or teenage pregnancy rates?"
Well, teenage pregnancy rates are at an all time low, so I'd venture a guess that yes, it probably has . . . .

ChristinedePizan Thu 07-Jul-11 10:01:54

Oh go on seeker wink

FessaEst Thu 07-Jul-11 10:04:54

If you honestly believe in your cause passionately, then you need to become more concise and clear at stating it - your post just makes you seem a little mad and all over the place.

I disagree with you entirely, the idea that children starting to experience the early stages of puberty should not have these changes discussed with them is absolutely wrong imho. If you read up on the origins of The Samaritans for eg, you can see the harm that keeping information like this can do. As long as schools embark on these programmes with parental knowledge and consent, so that parents can appropriately support their child at home/answer any questions etc, it is all for the good as far as I can see.

Quite frankly, I would be worried about a child in year 6 having had no education on puberty/menstruation/sexual relationships far more.

feckwit Thu 07-Jul-11 10:06:32

Your post is precisely the reason I think sex education in school IS so important. Parents like you who are removing their child from sex ed, are sensationalising what is a very natural act between consenting adults and making the whole subject taboo.

Countries that start sex education from an early age, have lower levels of teen pregnancy so your whole argument is flawed. Children need to be able to ask questions and need to be taught.

Many children grow up in abusive households (sadly) where boundaries are crossed. Schools play a vital role in encouraging those children to speak about their expereinces through introducing the legalities and boundaries that should be respected. An abusive parent is not likely to teach about sex and respect leading to a child not realising they are being mistreated.

It makes me so frustrated to read posts like yours.

IroningBoardForSurfBoard Thu 07-Jul-11 10:09:54

If your child is disturbed in any way by the Sex Ed. materials used in the school you can take your child for counselling and have same recorded by your G.P. and seek legal advice. Groups of parents can go to a solicitor especially if you were not informed. The law after all is there ,supposedly , to protect the innocent...our children whom we entrust to be educated.

this is a leeeeetle bit unhinged IMO

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar Thu 07-Jul-11 10:18:50

Just in case my poor ds is traumatised by learning about the birds and the bees in class, what kind of counselling should I seek for him?

IroningBoardForSurfBoard Thu 07-Jul-11 10:20:42

he might end up with Ornithophobia shock

or whatever a phobia of bees is called?

IroningBoardForSurfBoard Thu 07-Jul-11 10:21:48

so maybe some hypnotherapy or CBT?

wink

grin

Malcontentinthemiddle Thu 07-Jul-11 10:21:51

My year 5 doing sex ed has this term learnt about the different changes boys and girls bodies undergo. Which is handy, as she's sprouting a few changes herself. All good.

It's infuriating when people seem to think that sex ed equates to nine year olds being taught how to Do It.

CatPower Thu 07-Jul-11 10:24:21

Nadine Dorries, is that you?!

TheCoolWeb Thu 07-Jul-11 10:26:43

I assume this is a joke/wind-up.
If not you are insane.

slhilly Thu 07-Jul-11 10:56:08

If people like the OP would just get over themselves and stop making such an enormous frigging deal out of sex, they'd find that kids would be less sexualised, not more.

In the words of Madame Palin, evangelical no-sex-ed lady with the grandchild born out of wedlock: "how's that silver ring thing workin' out for ya?"

piprabbit Thu 07-Jul-11 11:05:57

Unfortunately many parents do not teach their children about sex and relationships in a timely or age-appropriate fashion.

It seems to me that it is often these parents who most strongly object to schools providing any information as well.

I personally think it is cowardly for a parent to actively take steps to prevent their child having the information they need - because the parent can't face handling tricky conversations with their child.

TobyLerone Thu 07-Jul-11 11:12:38

Sex Ed in schools is because of people like the OP. I have a feeling you (OP) would teach your children that the stork delivers babies. Children need telling what happens, in an age-appropriate manner, so that girls are not terrified when they start their periods and have no idea what's happening to them (and believe me, this still happens), or children don't think they're 'weird' for suddenly growing hair in places they never had it before.

You are a loon, OP.

BadBagel Thu 07-Jul-11 11:14:14

Councelling, disturbed shock Get a grip OP!

tethersend Thu 07-Jul-11 11:18:00

"Hi fellow passionate Mums!!!"

Fnaar fnaar grin

Poeteats4gals Thu 07-Jul-11 11:50:17

Good morning,

Ouch! I am feeling a teensey bit misinterpreted and hurt here.

It's an individual thing, right?Wrong. We are having this education imposed on us..plus we don't get enough holidays(another thread).

Has "Sex Education" played a part in causing the oversexualisation of our kids or not?

Parents may not be aware of their legal rights, like I was not until I came up against this issue.

Some parents have reported children being ill at ease and some go on to say disturbed.They as parents feel annoyed they were not told of DVDs to view , which is why the school must tell parents now.

I totally agree with kids being given the option from year 5/6 onwards.If the materials are not to our taste as parents , then we can choose to opt out .

Is starting Sex Ed. off so young neccessary, from reception? Does it errode innocence? If you view the materials , you can decide.

I viewed the DVDs and didn't like the content for my kids (years5 and 6) with words such as "wanking" in the material with a spotty teenager leering over a poster of a celeb for 10 and 11 year old boys to learn from? plus graphic bonking cartoon figures... mmm no thanks.

Swimming was , for us, a far better option on a hot day when my kids already had their talk about periods going on camp, thanks.

Their friends did not like the DVD anyway and said they'd have preferred to go swimming!

I just feel all the Sex Ed. agendas have not served their purpose with us coming in tops in Europe on Teenage Pregnancies,STDs and Abortions.

If it's broke, maybe it needs fixing!

Of course, I give my kids Sex Ed. They need to know and I agree with you all and they do. the resources vary alot from County to county with some quiet explicit.

If some kids don't get educated at home on the matter, then maybe the school DVDs need toning down and choices, being reserved, self esteem and gifts and talents need toning up..

love to all..........

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