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I wish the press would not call it child porn....

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Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 21:37:42

Re the story in the news about the father/son convictions: I wish the press would not call it child porn, they are crime scene photo’s - indecent images of children. This phrase offends the victims, undermines the crime and therefore the justice - which facilitates the offenders.

GypsyMoth Sun 19-Jun-11 21:47:52

can you link??

and facilitates which offenders?

fearnelinen Sun 19-Jun-11 21:54:09

Can you expand? I don't know what you mean?

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:02:06

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3643308/Pervert-dad-and-his-twisted-son-yesterday-become-the-first-parent-child-duo-in-the-country-to-be-prosecuted-for-downloading-child-porn-images.html#ixzz1PVolBhpB

PomBearEnvy Sun 19-Jun-11 22:03:03

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnleypendlerossendale/9090927.Father_and_son_sentenced_for_vile_child_porn_stash/

Op, do you mean it facilitates the predators who abuse the victims, the people who distribute the images or the disgusting people who down load indecent pictures of innocent children being violated? Or all of them?

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:04:48

Sorry just getting used to how this works should have posted the link with the comment, learning fast :0)

scurryfunge Sun 19-Jun-11 22:05:30

I see what you mean. Child abuse is a more appropriate term. Calling it "porn" somehow seeks to justify the images.

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:05:35

What pombearenvy said :0)

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:06:18

Yes :0)

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:09:22

I made this - it says it all - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6pzdEGI9xQ&feature=channel_video_title

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:12:48

Yes scurryfunge (brill name) what you said :00

scurryfunge Sun 19-Jun-11 22:16:44

I like your video. Paedophiles will always seek to justify crimes against children. We need to make sure the media are on board with the correct terminology.

Anything else is sloppy journalism.

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:20:30

I could not agree more, I am working on trying to get them to stop and you would not believe the excuses they come up with jeeeez

scurryfunge Sun 19-Jun-11 22:25:59

It is down to basic understanding of the impact of words. Surely a journalist has some form of qualification and a working knowledge of the language they write in.

Most organisations have a commitment to child protection. Why shouls journalism be different? Is it unregulated?

scurryfunge Sun 19-Jun-11 22:26:27

*should

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:28:39

For me personally it is the difference between a child prostitute and a prostituted child. We are planning an appeal to the BBC to ban it and see if the others will follow - we will see

swanker Sun 19-Jun-11 22:34:29

I think the BBC have stopped calling women who work in the sex trade 'prostitutes' and instead say 'women, who worked as prostitutes' IYSWIM.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sun 19-Jun-11 22:36:45

There's nothing unclear about the description 'child pornography'. We understand 'pornography' to mean lewd publications, videos and similar visual material. The qualification 'child' that it involves children being abused. 'Child abuse' on the other hand covers a wide range of activites ranging from simple neglect to criminal assault.

Decent people find the idea of any harm being done to children repellant and distressing. There is no material difference between a child prostitute and a prostituted child either.... both mean a child is being forced to do something against their will. Paedophiles don't care what names are attached, of course.

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:41:55

There may be no difference in the words to some but the words make a world of difference to the way people treat the child victims

scurryfunge Sun 19-Jun-11 22:42:30

Yes Cogito but pornographic images of a child equals child abuse because there is nothing lawful about those images.

Pornography suggest legal activity.

It is child abuse.
Every image re -abuses a child.

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:52:48

I agree with SF – the fact remains that victims of this crime find the phrase deeply offensive and that should be enough for most people but clearly it is not. The word ‘pornography’ has a commercial legitimacy to it, an adult consent that simply does not exist in what these vile images actually represent, putting the word ‘child’ anywhere near this word, is an indecent corruption all of its own.

swanker Sun 19-Jun-11 22:53:10

I think 'images of child abuse' would cover it adequately.

TheSnickeringFox Sun 19-Jun-11 22:54:42

I agree. Calling it child porn makes it sound like just another choice off the porn menu. Saying child prostitute sounds like maybe they chose the career. hmm

Language is important.

Phoenix1 Sun 19-Jun-11 22:55:14

Perfect :0)

emmanumber3 Sun 19-Jun-11 23:09:53

I've never thought about the words used in that way before, but, having done so now I totally agree with you. Calling the images child porn does somehow make it just another item on the porn menu, as it were. Although, obviously, the vast majority of people can see the clear difference in images involving a child & images involving consenting adults the correct term should be "images of child abuse".

You raise a very good point OP.

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