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Bellie Sat 04-Jun-11 09:28:51

Wow! Well done mumsnet!

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jun/03/cameron-backed-report-commercialisation-childhood?CMP=twt_gu

slartybartfast Sat 04-Jun-11 09:41:35

oh you beat me to it.
yay
well done

TheMonster Sat 04-Jun-11 09:44:14

That's great.

SardineQueen Sat 04-Jun-11 09:53:52

Good news. The recommendations look good.

When it says that DC has given the report his support, what does that actually mean? That all of it will become law? Some of it? Or will nothing actually happen IYSWIM.

Great news though thanks for posting smile

ScrotalPantomime Sat 04-Jun-11 10:03:46

Thanks for the link smile

slartybartfast Sat 04-Jun-11 10:27:44

may be mumsnet can do somethign about these lewd music videos as well now.
jesse james/aguilera/rhianna off the top of my head

<<no wonder top of the pops isnt on any more>>

crispyambulance Sat 04-Jun-11 10:28:35

they said on the news that the mother's union has been put in charge of it hmm

SardineQueen Sat 04-Jun-11 10:31:41

Reg someone of the mothers union wrote the report. Big conversations on MN at the time it was announced about the choice of organisation.

TheFeministsWife Sat 04-Jun-11 10:40:59

Great, just hope it will become law now. It's about bloody time the government did something about all this. I've nothing against sexy music videos etc but I think there's a time and a place! If I want the music channels on during the day I have to stick to MTV classic and VH1 as they usually play 80s and 90s videos.

Threadworm8 Sat 04-Jun-11 10:58:49

I'm not sure how much of it is about anything "becoming law". A lot of it seems to involve alterations and evolutions in self-regulation. Whether or not that achieves anything will I guess depend on any cultural shift that the changes help to generate -- ie whether they help to create a climate in which a consensus develops that some things just aren't acceptable.

"Advertising Standards Authority to do more to gauge parent's views on advertising" seemed like an important-ish component of the report. At the moment even the regulatory structures that are in place do little to help, because of the ways in which regulators adjudicate. E.g. Offcom apparently gave stamp of approval recenlt to horribly sexualised performances in XFactor.

SardineQueen Sat 04-Jun-11 11:10:42

Yes it also says that with TV the regulators need to give more weight to parents views on pre-watershed shows. Which is just common sense surely confused

Threadworm8 Sat 04-Jun-11 11:28:10

Something like "discouraging" advertisers from putting inappropriately sexual imagery on billboards near schools etc seems almost self-parodyingly ineffectual when you consider the wallpapering of our lives with such images. It is hard to imagine that sort of regulation achieving much, or to imagine an age-rating of videos wd achieve much (when you see the kind of cinema imagery that goes through on a 'U' or a 12). The most that can be hoped for is that the existence of the regulations helps to shape or generate a cultural shift, and therefore contributes indirectly to change.

Though bearing in mind that today also sees the opening of the new Playboy venues it does seem hard to be optimistic.

The lad's mags demotion seems good, though. I wonder if that will be law or self-regulated.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 04-Jun-11 13:20:35

Ironically, last week saw the death of Flick Colby, choreographer for the dance troupe Pans People. Mary Whitehouse hated Pans People, their go-go dance moves and their scanty outfits. She didn't win the day, thank goodness. What starts as 'we're only thinking of the children' can quickly become oppressive.

Threadworm8 Sat 04-Jun-11 13:32:24

There's a huge difference between supressing sexual expression on the one hand and sexual (and essentially commercial) exploitation/objectification on the other, cogito. Very hard to keep on articulating it clearly enough for people to see it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

It would be entirely plausibel, for example, to support Slutwalk and also to support these sorts of regulation.

Threadworm8 Sat 04-Jun-11 13:37:55

In fact, I'd see these sorts of regulations (or rather, an idealised version of them) as giving children's seuality back to them, instead of captured by retail and sold back to them in a parodic form.

Threadworm8 Sat 04-Jun-11 13:38:21

seuality sexuality

CogitoErgoSometimes Sat 04-Jun-11 14:25:42

It's not the children who are buying back the parody of their own sexuality.... Commercial exploitation can only happen with the tacit approval and financial support of the adults (parents, of course). We tried to legislate school dinners so that children would benefit.... and adults fed them burgers through the railings.

We cannot legislate commonsense...

fotheringhay Sat 04-Jun-11 14:43:34

We can't do nothing.

rhelen Sat 04-Jun-11 15:20:46

Will welcoming this will it really have any effect?

The sale of these clothes will continue on the internet from sites based abroad and also when on holiday abroad people will be able to buy what they like.

A good idea but really unenforceable in the modern world.

4sunshine Sat 04-Jun-11 22:38:56

I am so pleased to see on the news tonight the report regarding the recommendations to stop the sexualisation of our kids. I was recently in Skegness with my children and they wanted to buy rock to bring back for their friends, when we entered the shop I was horrified to see in full view of the children rock in the form of a penis and vagina. So I for one hope to see the ban of the sale of these types of items for our nations kids sake. Well done keep up the good work our kids will thank us!

mummytigger Sat 04-Jun-11 22:59:18

I think this is brilliant - it's just what we need. I'm 33+6 with my first son, but I'm hoping that my next one will be a girl. And I already know for a fact that my child will not be wandering around in a padded bra, heels and a tee-shirt proclaiming her a "Goldigga". I's the same with ballroom dancing - how on earth could I justify sending her to a ballroom class, when she'll just end up in a skimpy, sequinned bra and panties with four-inch heels, a five-inch make-up layer and 6 inches of fake tan?! I was happy running about in dungarees with a WInnie the Pooh pencilcase. Why do we need such sexuality these days? Just let children be children, their innocence is the most precious thing they have.

stephinepink Sat 04-Jun-11 23:09:34

This is great thank you. I have struggled to but sensible clothing. Another thing I have found difficult is finding a decent pair of knickers that when my girls sit on the floor at school they do cover. I bought some princess knickers last years and the girth was so small.

CogitoErgoSometimes Sun 05-Jun-11 08:35:17

@mummytiger... Your child won't be wearing such ridiculous clothing, regardless of whether there are different rules or not. You'd be deciding what she wore 100%. Unless you're saying that you and everyone else is so brain-dead & easily led they can't register what it is they're picking up off the shelves???

joaninha Sun 05-Jun-11 10:10:56

Well this news has right cheered me up. Especially after all the nasty comments posted on the internet about the protestors outside of the new Playboy club. At last something is moving in the right direction.

SarahHillWheeler Sun 05-Jun-11 14:22:17

I read the news in the Guardian on Saturday. Well done, it does seem to be about self-regulation at this stage (I realize I will need to have a peak at the full report when it is published) so I do wonder what the impact will be in practice. Still, a step in the right direction hopefully.

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