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Julian Assange, wikileaks and these rape claims

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sherby Fri 03-Dec-10 21:28:44

I have just read the basis of the two rape claims against him.

How is it possible to issue a warrant for rape charges against him? Even going by the womens statements it isn't rape, there is no 'non-consensual' sex.

Am I missing something here or does it stink to high heaven?

GettinganIcyGrip Sat 04-Dec-10 09:05:23

It stinks to high heaven. I think the message is ...'don't mess with governments...they are all-powerful and can do what they like'.

Scary stuff.

MistressMaker Sat 04-Dec-10 09:06:20

Where did you read them?

TheSugarPlumFairy Sat 04-Dec-10 09:49:47

would be very interested to read the actual allegations/charges too.

I had heard the charges were overstated at best.

Ryoko Sat 04-Dec-10 11:27:02

He is but one man, they may hunt him down and have him mysteriously die in a holding cell/prison but others will follow, the cat is out the bag, take down WikiLeaks and others will appear even greater in number.

BeenBeta Sat 04-Dec-10 11:44:32

I have read that the charge is basically 'having sex without a condom' under an obscure Swedish law.

Ryoko Sat 04-Dec-10 12:16:10

If it's illegal how come there are still Swedish people being born confused.

MollieO Sat 04-Dec-10 12:24:59

According to what I googled the women complained that the condom broke and he didn't stop. How on earth would you know it had broke whilst you are at it? confused

purits Sat 04-Dec-10 12:25:38

I heard him on the radio the other day saying that he wants to fight the charges. Normally prosecutors would be chasing the alleged wrongdoer but instead he has been harassing the Swedish authorities to get them to start proceedings so he can clear his name.shock

Kaloki Sat 04-Dec-10 12:28:23

It's all really dodgy isn't it? And sickening that they are using something as serious as rape as a cover story.

wannaBe Sat 04-Dec-10 12:32:04

dodgy as hell.

MollieO Sat 04-Dec-10 12:33:47

Mind you he hasn't helped himself by hiring Mark Stephens - the Max Clifford of the legal profession. hmm

Kaloki Sat 04-Dec-10 12:43:17

Also, the rapes were alleged to have happened in August, but they have only started trying to get him now - just as the wikileaks thing has become an issue. How convenient hmm

BadgersPaws Sat 04-Dec-10 17:07:37

"they have only started trying to get him now"

No, this has been going on for a while.

Sweden issued, but then withdrew, an arrest warrant in August.

At the beginning of September prosecutors reopened the investigation. Assange replaced his lawyer and then in early November hinted he might seek asylum in Switzerland.

In the middle of November the Swedish Prosecutor was seeking a court order for his arrest.

The new Interpol order cites that arrest warrant.

So this hasn't come out of nowhere and it has been rumbling on and escalating for a few months.

The idea that there was nothing going on until the recent leaks of US Diplomatic communications is just plain wrong.

Of course Wikileaks has been annoying Western Governments for a few years now, so I'm not saying there isn't pressure to shut Assange up.

dittany Sat 04-Dec-10 17:12:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CoteDAzur Sat 04-Dec-10 17:17:49

Rape charges were dismissed in Sweden, so yeah, I'd doubt the allegations.

CoteDAzur Sat 04-Dec-10 17:18:11

You, on the other hand, do "knee jerk" to seeing rape everywhere.

ilovemydogandMrObama Sat 04-Dec-10 17:18:17

What infuriates me, other than the obvious, is that his lawyers say they have tried to 'discuss' the matter with the Swedish Prosecutors and the fact that they won't discuss the charges, his lawyers seem to be suggesting is evidence that there is some other agenda hmm

If he has a defence, fine. The proper forum is the court process.

strandedatseasonsgreetings Sat 04-Dec-10 17:21:02

Do we know where he is? Do M16 have him?

ilovemydogandMrObama Sat 04-Dec-10 17:22:39

The police (Scotland Yard?) have said they know where he is.

dittany Sat 04-Dec-10 17:24:22

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheCrackFox Sat 04-Dec-10 17:25:17

Wikileaks are supposedly, next year, releasing lots of info about the banking crisis in America. The whole corporate world must be shitting itself.

BeenBeta Sat 04-Dec-10 17:29:01

This story is being carried by an Australian newspaper today. The full details of the charges were only released a few days ago.

"APPARENTLY having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for Rape.."

dittany Sat 04-Dec-10 17:33:28

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Unprune Sat 04-Dec-10 17:42:38

In a normal case, I'd suspect all sorts of him. In this case, I think an open mind is best. Not 'oh he must be innocent, The man is out to get him' - but it can't be discounted. Truly unusual circumstances. He could still be a rapist, which would be commonplace enough.

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