Karndean Flooring Shrinking - HELP(34 Posts)
In May we had Karndean Summer Oak fitted which is wood effect plank tiles.
Since being fitted (it was perfect when first laid) we have noticed how it has shrunk slightly leaving gaps.
The floor layer has gone out of his way to help and try to make it right but in fairness to him we truly believe it is the product and upon searching the Internet there seem to be others who have had similar experiences.
Karndean are due to visit and according to others they go out of their way to point the finger elsewhere.
I would really appreciate any help anyone else can give - I did find an old thread on here with a member saying they actually had a group up and running for people with Karndean issues but this was back in 2009.
Thanks in advance x
hi, we have just had palio clic karndean put down in our lounge/dining room. Looks really lovely and feels warmer than laminate BUT two weeks in and we already have significant scratches I have only used the karndean cleaner and haven't done any major furniture moving. really disappointed.
Had Karndean down in kitchen for last eleven years. No sign of wear despite a dishwasher bursting into flames and dropping hot melted metal onto the floor. Later, a flood - still withstood it all. I also have it in bathroom and toilets. Then again in my front room. My son-in-law is a builder and has been fitting Karndean for years. He has it throughout his house and always looks great. Never had a problem.
Sorry to hear about the shrinkage. I've got a flooring business with my husband he is second generation installer and we install a lot of carpet and vinyl including Karndean.
Here's a list to check off to insure the best installation and performance of product.
1. Floor prep is critical vinyl only has a 3mm variance of forgiveness
2. Vinyl products can not be layed over yellow tongue or slate sub floor. Yellow tongue, slate and uneven sub floors need to be masonited first.
3. All 5mm vinyl products should be glued down with at least a pressure sensitive glue but Id recommend hard set glue. (even loose lay products). 2-4mm products need to be hard set glued down.
4. Areas of any thickness of vinyl floors that are in direct sunlight like sliding door areas need to be installed with a hard set glue for at least 2m from the doorway.
5. Product should be opened, separated and left in areas to be installed for at least 48 hours before installation to acclimatise product.
6. Vinyl should be cut in TIGHT to edges if the room no expansion gaps are needed.
I hope this helps flooring is a huge investment I imagine this is a bit stressful. Karndean are a very reputable company who have been producing vinyl flooring for a very long time we have always found them very fair and willing to rectify customer complaints. Good luck
We have had karndean knight tile in our kitchen/dining room since April. Dark wood planks with black detail strips. Cost £950. No shrinking but I regret it now as its scratched to buggery and can see every tiny mark and bit of dirt. We have the felt pads on chairs makes no difference.
I and in the process of ordering Kardean Palio Clic pienza, at £45 m2, are you telling me this flooring is rubbish and should not buy. We would be placing it in our kitchen diner which has underfloor heating, plus in our hall way which will be a busy area, also has log burner.
Our Karndean was mid range Van Gouch - Burnt Ginger.
Had Karndean in three different houses with underfloor heating and never had a problem.
I always had the da vinci range, which is great.
I was told that knight tile is not recommended for underfloor heating some time ago by a fitter, when discussing if he had seen issues with any of the range. Knight tile was the only one he had seen issues with.
We have had Karndean in the hall, dining kitchen and conservatory. Product is wearing excellent in hall and kitchen after 10 years, however, conservatory all the Karndean has shrunk and has moisture beneath. Karndean inspector came out and said it was a fitting issue, shop bought from no longer trading. Karndean inspector said everything was wrong with the fitting from the wrong glue to incorrect levelling, he even blamed damp in the floor - yet their Karndean shrunk, not by a little but has gaps of circa 8-10mm. Even if incorrectly fit, why has it shrunk?
Yes that sounds Soooo familiar , investing your money and faith in a company whom you have experience and integrity....at least if you DIY then your expectations are alot lower. Karndean should be watching all these conversations.
So I can't really say if it was fitters or karndean, although the first fitter for the karndean claimed to have decades of karndean experience with the family firm and still left tiles sticking up on corners to catch my feet.
I had the rhino floor for the previous 7 years & it still looked great. Only decided to change as the cushioned element might not have stood upto chairs being pushed back & forth etc in kitchen diner, but was great in bathrooms with fixed furniture.
It was the cheapest range, Knight Tile.
Still not cheap per se, and you'd expect it to be fit for purpose.
I have found flooring companies to be the pits for poor service though. With companies like Ryanair & Aldi, you know what you're buying, but family owned carpet stores going back several generations, claiming quality of service; the 2 I've gone with in the recent past were both terrible.
I'd have been better off buying cheap on the Internet & figuring out how to lay it with YouTube - that's what the last fitter was doing, I kid you not!
Tumfy, what kind of Karndean did you use? Isn't it heart-breaking? All that money.....
Having had cheap cushioned rhinofloor vinyl and replaced with karndean, partly due to many 'karndean is bombproof' comments on here, I would agree that my 1 year old karndean is clearly not, and urge people not to buy it.
Oh that's not good! We are planning to have Karndean in our new kitchen diner which will have underfloor heating. It's not ordered yet so might need to reconsider. I understand things go wrong sometimes, but don't want to risk a company that won't take responsibility, especially as it's over £2k!
That's really interesting that they expanded again! What do you mean the dealer has put vinyl over the floor? Has he replaced tiles?
Had large loose lay tiles laid 18mths ago cost over $4000, not happy with difference in pattern. Our dealer marvellous and gave us extra tiles to re-arrange.
In winter tiles shrunk after several emails the rep came took two tiles away for testing, could stand a ruler lenthways in the gaps. Yes blame was pointed at the dealer/layer and no way was it their fault. Official report came that the tiles were within normal limits and that's that. Summer the tiles closed up again!!We live on north coast NSW mild climate. Our dealer has been fabulous and has put vynal over the floor looks great.
That is really odd. We have Karndean (bathrooms x 2 and downstairs toilet) and it looks as good 7+ years on as it did on the day it was laid :-(
Mmm the karndean we got was the same price as the amtico I also considered!
Wow set .... Glad we paid the extra for Amtico as we have underfloor heating!
oops! re previous message, great spelling - and thanks to my Samsung for 'correcting' 'here' to 'hear'.
So miserable about my bloody floor...
I'm furious, so much so I can't speak about it (apart from ob hear obv)!!
Janey1234 and hp1965 I would love to hear what happened next re your Karndean problems. We've had a load put down and haven't yet used the kitchen and the stuff has already shrunk away from the bifold doors. Wish I had seen this thread before I spent a shed load of cash on the stuff.
We chose Opus and experienced exactly the same, interested to know what the outcome was as we are seeking full reimbursement. It seems there are many happy customers of Karndean but Opus has a problem and they just dont seem to want to admit it.
I've had a very disappointing experience with Karndean. We chose beautiful tiles from the Opus range (supposedly the commercial range) as we wanted a hard wearing floor. We spent over £1000, it was installed 8 months ago. It started scratching almost as soon as it was laid. It's taken until today for the Karndean rep to come and see the scratches which are so bad now that I expect we will have to replace the floor within the next 12-18 months. Today was extraordinary, he suggested velvet tabs for the bottom of our chairs, that we are using the wrong type of mop and that we should only be using their speciality floor cleaner. This is supposed to be commercial flooring - it's not. It can't handle a family of 4 in their slippers. I was expecting to be told that this was a bad batch of tiles or that they had not been sealed, I had not expected to be told that it's less robust that the cheap laminate that was in our previous kitchen for 6 years with barely a scratch.
Karndeen - I am happy to discuss this with you, your rep came today Elaine & Alan, M16
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