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Article on HE in The Times today

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critterjitter Fri 05-Sep-08 09:33:44

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4677730.ece

Runnerbean Fri 05-Sep-08 13:27:07

Hurrah! Hurrah!

My dd is making a home movie today of HE and may be shown on BBC next week!

AbbeyA Fri 05-Sep-08 14:37:27

I am glad that he points out that it is a luxury! Even if you are staying at home and only going for free visits it limits the earning power of the parents and makes it very difficult for the single parent. I think that I would most definitely take mine out for a couple of years if we could go to France, Italy and China. I agree that it would be much better educationally to climb Mt Vesuvius and peer into the crater rather than read about it in a text book!! I think most people would, unfortunately it is usually merely a dream. Since it isn't an option I would rather that my DCs had an inspirational Geography teacher than a book or the internet.

AMumInScotland Fri 05-Sep-08 14:54:50

Yes, it's been commented on before how the people who write these articles don't seem to be the ones who are struggling to get by, balance HE with a part-time job, etc. I'm sure we'd all love our children to be able to take those sort of educational trips hmm

AbbeyA Fri 05-Sep-08 15:03:15

I thought that he had some good points but it was rather negated by the fact that he was recommending it for everyone without recognising that it was out of reach of most people. If I could do it the way that he was doing it then I think that I would have done it for a year or a couple of years because it was superior to anything offered by schools. As I don't have that sort of financial backing I think that school can do it better. I am most surprised that the influence of a good teacher isn't more highly prized.

AMumInScotland Fri 05-Sep-08 15:09:43

Yes, and finishing up on "But children and parents who never experience it are missing out badly" is pretty insulting too. Maybe it wouldn't suit them!

onwardandupward Fri 05-Sep-08 15:14:00

"I am most surprised that the influence of a good teacher isn't more highly prized."

I tink the influence of inspirational adults and other children (probably particularly older ones but not necessarily) in a child's life is probably more important than whether any of those inspirational adults happen to be teachers, or teachers of that child.

Of the inspirational adults in my life, one was a teacher (until he started teaching me at school, at which point he became a boring and lazy git), one was a teacher at school, and then the others were my parents, various friends of my parents, various adults I came into contact with because of extra-curricula interests out of school. Teachers don't have a monopoly on being good influences, though if one is lucky enough to encounter a "good" one, then it's a gift horse not to be looked in the mouth!

I agree with AMIS. As usual, it's the exotic family which the article is about. I assure you that we have not been to the rim of mount Vesuvius...

But it's also a no-win for home educators writing about their experiences in public, isn't it? Either they write about the unusual things they do, and the responses are sneers (like in the Times comment thread about how Italian isn't important) or the responses say that they are obviously privileged and HE is not for normal people, or they write about the normal things they do and people say "well, you can do that perfectly well in school" or "my children go to school AND we do all that stuff too". Writing about my family in the national papers? Not my bag, baby.

AbbeyA Fri 05-Sep-08 15:18:07

I get onto arguments on this site precisely because of that AMumInScotland-I have only one point and that is that one size doesn't fit all. Some children thrive in school and some at home. I always put the point that I loved school and I am not alone in that. If I think of my happiest times in childhood I very soon come to my lovely, rural,village primary and I am so glad that I was given the opportunity to go. My brother is entirely different, he didn't get the chance but I think that HE would have suited his personality. I think that the decision should be child led and not based on the parents negative experience or views on individuality etc.

AMumInScotland Fri 05-Sep-08 15:23:26

Oh, I would never consider putting my family in the paper! I'd get it from both sides, I'm sure, since I do "school at home" in a big way.

I went to school, and was reasonably happy with it. I certainly wouldn't have chosen to be HE instead. DS was also happy in school, and HE was just a practical choice for us at the moment.

AbbeyA Fri 05-Sep-08 15:26:22

You are more likely to come across good teachers in school because they have made it a career. They do this because they love their subject and love working with children. They don't do it for the money, and the holidays are not as good as they seem by the time they have done all the preparation etc.I sometimes get the impression that people think they do the job because they are control freaks who enjoy making children's lives a misery!! I haven't come across any like that!

AbbeyA Fri 05-Sep-08 15:28:51

I wouldn't put myself in the public eye for anything! You need to be pretty thick skinned!

workstostaysane Fri 05-Sep-08 19:34:15

lovely article.

re: home ed is only for the rich: there are many not well off home edders who share resources and find other ways of coping on less income.
those who say its only for the rich really shouldn't home ed as they lack the imagination it would require IMO.

literacy in new england went down after compulsory education was introduced. how do people think children learned before the past 60 years or so when compulsory education came in. or was everyone a thicko back then?

rant over.

Runnerbean Fri 05-Sep-08 23:18:13

Hello Worktostaysane,

Our SE london group starts up again next week be nice to see you again!

We are doing some filming on Monday for the bbc to back up the evidence of a recent publication, "How Children Learn at Home".

It may be shown Monday evening.

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