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De-registering

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Allusernamestakenbutthis · 15/01/2021 16:22

Hello, my DS is yr 5

Any advice on:

  1. De-registering from state school
  2. Any homeschooling groups in West Sussex that meet for museum visits, sports days etc (heard of this before)
  3. Online resources
  4. Private tutors- I can invest a bit for eg English and maths. What is the min hours a week advised?
  5. Will it impact chances of getting into a private school at a later date eg yr 7 ideally (I realise that's only a year and half of homeschooling)


I have been thinking about this for a couple of years and the pandemic has brought things to a head. I do not appreciate being forced to send DS back to school and he is not happy either. The situation with separating friends etc has caused so much upset and anxiety.

Any advice appreciated!!
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Thatwentbadly · 15/01/2021 22:08

I can only help with no1. All you need to do is send a letter saying you are deregistering as of x date and will be home schooling.

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Saracen · 16/01/2021 11:23
  1. I assume from your mention of Y5 that you are in England or Wales, not Scotland? Sample deregistration letters can be found at www.educationotherwise.org/starting-out/ together with some info to get you started. If you don't live in Scotland and your child is not at a special school, deregistration is automatic upon demand and you don't have to give notice. You just have to send the letter to the school. If the school tries to tell you that you must get permission or have a meeting with them first, post again and we can point you to the law.
  2. You'll find various local groups linked from here, including some for W Sussex: home-education.org.uk/forums.htm
  3. There's loads of resources - what are you after in particular? If you are just looking for general ideas, have a look through the old posts on this group.
  4. It's easier than you think! Most people don't use tutors, except maybe for specialist subject such as musical instruments or foreign languages, or at GCSE where tutors may be familiar with the marking scheme and able to give focused advice on improving grades. Why not settle in for a while first and see how it's going, then work out whether you'd benefit from outside help?
  5. Some parents home educate because they feel it is possible to give their kids a better education than school, so home ed might help your child get into a selective school. If you aren't sure about the admissions criteria, you could get in touch now with the schools you have in mind to ask what they would be looking for in a Y7 applicant, and work towards that.
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Allusernamestakenbutthis · 18/01/2021 13:10

Yes, brilliant info thanks.

Have spent all morning on worksheets dividing numbers into hundreds, tens and units, only to realise DS already mastered short division two years ago. I think I understand partly why the teacher says he doesnt focus. Hes been doing maths that was too easy.

Conversely, has had hardly been set any English writing tasks the past ten months, and already struggled with writing stories/handwriting, so he bow seems even further behind in English.

Am so frustrated I dont see any option now to deregister.

Am just curious how far you go in following the curriculum as I find even the lockdown learning English lessons to be terribly drawn out and dull and I believe that my son would benefit more just by being asked to write a story every day. I dont know if I'm wrong and will actually damage my sons progress by doing this.

Any criticisms welcome!

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hellosunshine20 · 23/01/2021 07:53

Hi OP, I don't homeschool but thought my son is similar to your son so thought I'd post.

He goes to a state school and is a few years ahead of curriculum. During the last lockdown his school did hardly anything so found him a tutor in English, maths and science (subjects he excels at) and asked them to work at his own level. Until then he was bored and unfocussed even at school but since then has been more content as he is able to learn for pleasure.

He still sees those tutors and is really happy - no pushing from our end.

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Ffsffsffsffsffs · 23/01/2021 08:17

A couple of things concern me from your post op -

Am just curious how far you go in following the curriculum as I find even the lockdown learning English lessons to be terribly drawn out and dull and I believe that my son would benefit more just by being asked to write a story every day. I dont know if I'm wrong and will actually damage my sons progress by doing this.
Unless you are teaching him all the dull grammar, vocabulary and exploring different writing styles, yes, simply just writing a story every day WILL damage your sons progress (and could prevent him being able to pass entry tests for private schooling in y7)

I do not appreciate being forced to send DS back to school
We're in lockdown, who is forcing you to send him to school? The only children who have a place offered to them are keyworker kids or those listed as vulnerable - assuming you have time to be considering homeschooling I take it he's classed as vulnerable, which does set my spider senses tingling as to what provision you are hoping to give at home (plus if there are any safeguarding concerns or other agencies involved with your child)

It really is quite simple to deregister in normal circumstances, does the school have concerns?

Finally, there is so much more to homeschooling than printing off a few worksheets and thinking about getting a tutor for English and Maths. Home Ed groups cannot meet at the moment, there are no trips out for anyone, for the foreseeable future. Please please consider the long term impact on your ds - 18m out of school now could reduce his options significantly in the future. I hate to say it, but the academic achievement of home-Ed kids is outstanding in only a very small number of cases. There are members on mn who wish they were allowed to stay at school, and will have to live a lifetime struggling to overcome the disadvantages of informal education.

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Saracen · 24/01/2021 08:26

Do you home educate, Ffsffsffsffsffs? I don't get the impression you have much experience of home education.

"Unless you are teaching him all the dull grammar, vocabulary and exploring different writing styles, yes, simply just writing a story every day WILL damage your sons progress (and could prevent him being able to pass entry tests for private schooling in y7)"
I don't know what the entry tests are like, so I'm sure it would be a good idea for the OP to get familiar with them and prepare for them. But it doesn't have to be a hard slog. When you replace the school day (including travel to school, waiting for the teacher's attention, work which is too easy/difficult/uninteresting) with time focused on the child's individual needs and plenty of one-to-one attention, efficiency soars. It is common for home educated kids to follow their interests for years, then concentrate on acquiring the skills they need for a particular goal - passing an exam, say - and whiz through them in a few months. It doesn't have to be a long dull process.

If the OP's son is reading widely, he will encounter and absorb good grammar and vocabulary. Trying out different writing styles can be interesting, and may be sensible in the run-up to an exam which requires that skill. My eldest, who is academically average, did no formal study of English (or any other subject) until shortly before their English Language IGCSE, They found the exam straightforward and got an excellent result. For example, having read thousands of newspaper articles, they were very familiar with the style of newspaper articles. In preparation for the exam, they quickly swotted up on a few characteristics of newspaper articles which they hadn't previously noticed. After that, they could churn out newspaper articles. School turns some skills into chores by forcing them upon kids who are too young and don't see a reason to learn them yet.

In the absence of a long school day followed by homework, home educated kids have the time to do much more reading for pleasure. My kid tried school for a term in Y5 and then left. This was for several reasons, but mainly because school was so inefficient that it left them without the time to read, play, see friends or do hobbies. I found it ironic that while at school, my child struggled to log even 20 minutes of daily "free reading" in their school reading diary. At the end of a school day they were too busy, too tired, and too fed up with scheduled activities to squeeze it in. Before and after their stint at school, they had read for several hours a day!

"I take it he's classed as vulnerable, which does set my spider senses tingling as to what provision you are hoping to give at home (plus if there are any safeguarding concerns or other agencies involved with your child)"

Your spider senses are overexcitable. Vast swathes of children are being classed as vulnerable, with the implication that they are better off at school. It's great that they are being OFFERED school places, because some of them do need school. But many vulnerable kids suffer through being at school, especially now that school staff are so overstretched by the requirement to educate kids at home as well as those at school. Parents are in a good position to decide this for themselves. It's offensive to imply that the OP wouldn't have thought this through.

"It really is quite simple to deregister in normal circumstances, does the school have concerns?"

It should be simple. It has always been the case that many heads don't know the law, are alarmed at the idea of children being educated in a different way, and fear that deregistration reflects badly on their school's provision - which in some cases it does. Some LAs are currently telling schools to adopt the illegal practice of delaying deregistration while trying to dissuade parents from home educating.

"I hate to say it, but the academic achievement of home-Ed kids is outstanding in only a very small number of cases."

I hate to say it, but there is no data whatsoever to support your view. What's more, even if true, it would be irrelevant to the question of whether a particular child would receive a better education at home than at school. For several reasons, it would be hard to collect meaningful data on the effect of home education on children. One reason is that as a self-selected (or parent-selected) group, they are unlikely to be representative of the general population. For example, surveys of parents who have deregistered children in recent years indicate that the most common reason for removing children from school is poor provision for their special needs. This suggests that kids with SEN make up a significant proportion of the home ed population, which would skew the statistics.

My youngest child, like many of her home educated friends, has significant special needs. She will not have done any GCSEs by 16. Would this demonstrate that those kids missed out by not attending school?

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Saracen · 25/01/2021 09:08

I think you are on the right track avoiding any lessons which are dull for your son, and focus on what he enjoys. Keep experimenting to find what excites him. Learning isn't meant to be boring. That is a sing it's ineffective. I find it very sad that so many people think it is inevitable that kids will find it a chore.

I'm with children's author Michael Rosen on the subject of teaching grammar to primary children. He hates the way writing is usually taught at school, and can rant with the best of them, LOL. If the technical bit in the middle doesn't engage you, skip to the end. For example:

"[In O level exams] no connection could be found to show that eg a) students good at grammar were good at writing or b) students bad at grammar couldn't be good at writing etc . No correlation. That's why they stopped teaching it and said we could or should teach other things to help students write in secondary schools.
g) What might be the reason why there was no correlation? Because using grammar to create sentences is not the same as writing."

michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com/2021/01/primary-school-grammar-issues.html

Perhaps this explains why my eldest got an excellent result in their English Language exam after no formal instruction whatsoever in grammar. Let your son read, or use audiobooks, or read to him, or all three. Let him write about what interests him, when he has a need to communicate. If he loves it, he will do it willingly, and will want to get better at it.

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