Passport expiry on child passport - confused by EU issue

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PlumpCushion Wed 21-Jul-21 18:59:37

I happened to see a worrying post on trip advisor about passport validity.

Can anyone explain why DD’s passport is only valid for entry to Greece until September 2021 despite the expiry date being next Aug?

Is it a leaving EU issue? Or a being a young adult on a child’s passport issue?

And finally, does anyone know if she can use her current passport while applying online for first adult one?

TIA

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UberMullet Wed 21-Jul-21 19:05:23

Did you renew it early? They used to add months if you did this, but those months are no longer valid.

dementedpixie Wed 21-Jul-21 19:10:29

Look at the valid from date
It's valid for 5 years from that date despite what the expiry date says. In the past extra months could be added on if you renewed early making it valid for more than 5 years. You then need 6 months remaining within the 5 years expiry to be able to go to many other countries

dementedpixie Wed 21-Jul-21 19:12:12

The old passport will need to be sent to the passport office as part of the renewal process. Even though she's changing to an adult passport it's still done as a renewal as she has an existing passport

PlumpCushion Wed 21-Jul-21 21:02:06

Thanks so much! It definitely looks as if she’s lost those extra months so your explanations make sense.

I just can’t see on the website which section applies to her though. She’s not a ‘child’ so child renewal section surely doesn’t apply-and the ‘first adult’ passport section seems be only for those who’ve never had a passport…

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TheTeenageYears Wed 21-Jul-21 21:50:40

I don't understand why a 5 year passport issued to someone under 16 with additional months is also subject to the same rules meaning the additional months are no longer valid in the EU. The only information I can find is that a passport can't be valid for more than 10 years but can anyone find where it states a 5 year passport is subject to the same rule? (other than using the validity tracker which will discount the extra months).

dementedpixie Wed 21-Jul-21 21:51:00

Adult renewal maybe

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churchroad Thu 22-Jul-21 01:13:21

If you go onto the passport gov website you can fill out the passport details and it will tell you the validity. When we used to renew, the unexpired months were added on and when we were in the EU the other members honoured the practice. Now we’ve left they no longer honour it. Another Brexit bonus!

BertieBotts Thu 22-Jul-21 01:20:51

TheTeenageYears

I don't understand why a 5 year passport issued to someone under 16 with additional months is also subject to the same rules meaning the additional months are no longer valid in the EU. The only information I can find is that a passport can't be valid for more than 10 years but can anyone find where it states a 5 year passport is subject to the same rule? (other than using the validity tracker which will discount the extra months).

Yes, this. The extra months should in theory be valid when applied to a 5 year passport because they haven't exceeded the full 10 year validity period.

Maybe try contacting the British embassy or consulate (sorry I never know the difference) in Greece and see what they say? An online calculator could be wrong.

BertieBotts Thu 22-Jul-21 01:21:33

They stopped honouring the extra months before brexit IIRC.

I think you want the adult renewal option BTW.

PlumpCushion Thu 22-Jul-21 08:15:44

That’s so useful. Thanks.

Does anyone know for sure if you have to send the current passport along with the application? I can’t find this information anywhere online.

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Applesandpears23 Thu 22-Jul-21 08:18:40

You definitely get asked to post them the old one. You eventually get it back with the corner cut off around the time you get the new one.

dementedpixie Thu 22-Jul-21 08:18:53

They will give you an address to send the old passport to as part of the application. When I did 3 renewals I had to send them to 3 different places

PlumpCushion Thu 22-Jul-21 08:35:18

Hmmm so you have to send in a passport that is arguably still ‘valid’ depending on how the airline / passport control interpret the child passport validity issue in the day, thereby going without a passport for potentially several months amid pandemic bureaucratic chaos ( if DVLA fiasco is anything to go by!)

Sounds perfect!

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dementedpixie Thu 22-Jul-21 08:39:12

I assume they cancel the existing passport when you do the application. They won't send the new passport until they receive the old one

Costacoffeeplease Thu 22-Jul-21 08:52:59

Yes of course you send an old passport off when renewing, that has always been the case

PlumpCushion Thu 22-Jul-21 09:06:08

Yes Costa that may be true…but normally we’re not in a state of bureaucratic chaos and normally the validity doesn’t get slashed overnight due to Brexit, and normally you can book an in person appointment for reasons that aren’t life and death! Gah!

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PeonyTime Thu 22-Jul-21 09:07:14

Yes, you send the old passport back - and when it us returned, it has the corner cut off to make it obvious it is no longer current.
DS's took just over week to arrive last month, despite the 10 week warning on the website. I believe you need an adults passport renewal.

Costacoffeeplease Thu 22-Jul-21 09:40:20

Well brexit has happened and this consequence was widely publicised.
I don’t see why the pandemic should mean we no longer follow the rules on renewing passports confused

BertieBotts Thu 22-Jul-21 10:19:06

Yes you send it back. It only takes about 3 weeks, you won't need the passport in that time unless you've been really disorganised!

MrsElijahMikaelson1 Thu 22-Jul-21 10:25:42

We have recently done this for DD-just turned 17. Had to fill the whole thing in and get signed photos as obviously she looks very different from when she was 12! Send the old passport back with application-so don’t renew yet if you need it this summer. We did check and send through the post office. Came back within 3 weeks-their system is NOTHING like the DVLA chaos where they are leaving piles of unopened mail in sacks. It has taken over 5 months to get her provisional licence through🤦‍♀️

dementedpixie Thu 22-Jul-21 11:26:34

I wouldn't have got signed photos for a 5 year age difference and didn't for my dd or ds. Also with the online application you can take a photo with your phone as part of the application process.

It's cheaper to do it online and I'd never pay for check and send either! Old Passport then gets posted off to the address they give you.

LoveAGoodToddlerTantrum Thu 22-Jul-21 14:22:21

Just wanted to thank you for saving my holiday. I'm supposed to be flying out in a month and my passport expires 8 months before it's expiration date (I now discover because of you) so have booked in for a very expensive quick renewal. I can't thank you enough.

PlumpCushion Thu 22-Jul-21 16:20:17

@LoveAGoodToddlerTantrum, that was a lucky escape! So pleased to hear that this thread has been helpful ☺️

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thinkfast Fri 23-Jul-21 00:03:10

Just thanking OP for saving our holiday too. Had a frantic afternoon trying to book an urgent appointment for DS' renewal. Eventually managed to get one for Saturday morning.

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