A Level U-Turn?

(16 Posts)
titchy Mon 17-Aug-20 12:45:28

Interesting....

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quest1on Mon 17-Aug-20 12:48:51

Hopefully whatever the next wondrous “announcement” is, it will be followed by GW’s resignation.

Bouledeneige Mon 17-Aug-20 13:38:31

I saw this too:
www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12421075/uturn-gcses-a-levels-announcement/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

I actually can't work out how a U turn would now work with the university courses that are now full. If a student who was given downgraded marks then get re-assessed back up to predictions and then qualifies for the course they wanted in the first place. What happens for those courses which have now been filled?

Wouldn't you have to now kick out students already accepted to allow re-graded students their rightful places? Or would it have to be for next yea's entry? You can't then tell students who did get places that they are now being kicked out can you?

And, just to check does anyone know if the algorithm only resulted in downgrades or did some marks go up compared with predictions? I'm presuming no ones suggesting then downgrading other students....

I am all for the fairness to those (usually state school educated) kids who were unfairly downgraded but I'm not sure how workable it will be with university places agt least for this year's entry.

LindainLockdown Mon 17-Aug-20 13:52:31

Complete shambles all round. My DS was lucky and got his place (if not grades he was hoping for). His uni has on their website that if they have places a student who successfully appeals by 7 Sept will get a place if there are places available (but it doesn't look like there are any available) If no places they can have the place in 2021, so this is going to impact next years' applicants too.

titchy Mon 17-Aug-20 14:26:59

* And, just to check does anyone know if the algorithm only resulted in downgrades or did some marks go up compared with predictions? I'm presuming no ones suggesting then downgrading other students....*

About 4% were upgraded. Scotland said best of teacher or algorithm grade.

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catspyjamas123 Mon 17-Aug-20 14:27:19

GCSEs are the next disaster waiting to happen. Many kids need these to change sixth form or go to college and take the subjects they want. Those who were suggesting putting them off for two weeks must not be aware of that. Schools return on Sept 2 round here - so before delayed results would come out.

My DD has suffered a huge amount of school-related stress. She has actually benefitted from this big break. Blossomed. But now the anxiety is returning about the results. Her CAGs should be OK - we hope!

Kids have enough mental health problems without this shenanigans!

BackforGood Mon 17-Aug-20 14:30:13

What @Bouledeneige said.

This should all have been thrashed out between OFQAL, the schools, the universities, UCAS and the Gvmnt LONG before any students were given their grades.

there is no way they can suddenly U-turn now - clearing has happened, places have been offered, deposits paid for accommodation etc etc

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titchy Mon 17-Aug-20 15:08:55

* there is no way they can suddenly U-turn now - clearing has happened, places have been offered, deposits paid for accommodation etc etc*

They can you know.... Wales and NI have. Scotland did. All after clearing.
The RG will do ok out of this assuming SNC cancelled....

So those students we just recruited through clearing - we may be just about to lose them. sad

gingingin for anyone working at UCAS.

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BirdintheWings Mon 17-Aug-20 15:36:36

I'm twitchy on the subject of regrades. I don't know what DD's CAGs were, and though one algorithmed result was lower than I would have expected, another was a grade higher (A* A C vs AAB) which was overall a better outcome.

I know it would be better that the right grades go to the right kids -- still would be a bit gutted for her if a subject drops a grade after her relief last week.

Eastisup Mon 17-Aug-20 15:45:44

Advice in Wales is that if students grades are higher than expected due to the algorhithm, they can keep the higher grade.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/a-levels-gcse-grades-wales-18782908

Shimy Mon 17-Aug-20 15:56:34

Bouledeneige

I saw this too:
www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12421075/uturn-gcses-a-levels-announcement/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

I actually can't work out how a U turn would now work with the university courses that are now full. If a student who was given downgraded marks then get re-assessed back up to predictions and then qualifies for the course they wanted in the first place. What happens for those courses which have now been filled?

Wouldn't you have to now kick out students already accepted to allow re-graded students their rightful places? Or would it have to be for next yea's entry? You can't then tell students who did get places that they are now being kicked out can you?

And, just to check does anyone know if the algorithm only resulted in downgrades or did some marks go up compared with predictions? I'm presuming no ones suggesting then downgrading other students....

I am all for the fairness to those (usually state school educated) kids who were unfairly downgraded but I'm not sure how workable it will be with university places agt least for this year's entry.

If the university course is full then I don’t see there is anything the university can do about. They are already committed to other students. The only consolation the student with new grades has isthat they now have grades that correctly reflect their ability and can now reapply for the course they missed out on next year.

The algorithm would’ve benefitted some students upwards. If they are in a school with a previously high attainment cohort, even if that student is mediocre, they will benefit from the previous yrs results and get a higher grade than they would have achieved on their own.

If the algorithm is overturned and replaced with CAGs I would expect that where the calculated grade is higher, it will be allowed to stand.

My DS is at an Indy, so I would hope there would be fairness applied across everyone and every independent school where they have been downgraded.

Shimy Mon 17-Aug-20 16:06:45

Teacher grades to be used in England...Hurrah!

Shimy Mon 17-Aug-20 16:07:15

At last! Common sense

Shimy Mon 17-Aug-20 16:17:48

I’m hearing now from Dr Emilia Roberts that we’re going to have to wait to see what the discrepancy will be with GCSEs before they can decide.

Bouledeneige Mon 17-Aug-20 17:25:47

So now the government are lifting the cap on university places so maybe they will allow more onto the courses when grades are reinstated.

chipshopswearsheselvis Mon 17-Aug-20 17:31:25

My DCs are younger so this whole fiasco has no direct impact on my or my family, but it's just been so awful I've been brought to tears several times when reading articles and interviews with teens and families. It's a long time since I went through that awful wait but I can remember so clearly the anxiety and stress. Those poor poor kids sadsadsadsadGW HAS to go, how the hell change keep his job after this frankly fucking shambles?

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