Warwick

[Miljah]

BBC 1 tonight.

Maybe you need to discourage your DDs?

[PantTwizzler]

Don’t watch tv. Can you elaborate?

[endofthelinefinally]

Oh. I wanted to watch this but will have to watch on catch up.
I guess it depends whether Warwick have done anything about this.
TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if most other universities are just as bad.

[BuckingFrolics]

It's appalling. Reveals the hidden misogyny not of the "lads" but of the university business.

[TapasForTwo]

Do you think that the BBC made a deliberate decision to show this on the night before A level results?

[HandsOffMyRights]

Is this the programme previously shown regarding the 'rape chat scandal' and the disgraceful 'investigation' by the male head of PR?

[TapasForTwo]

I didn't realise it was a repeat. What timing!

[TapasForTwo]

I wonder if the BBC will get a slapped wrist for this.

[notoafternoontea]

How have things moved on massively?? They've had an independent inquiry, have said they're going to make changes to the disciplinary procedures (but apparently haven't yet), and Peter Dunn is still in his role (I checked). I can't see how things have moved on at all.

I think those two young women are incredible. And I hope the families of those young men are utterly ashamed of them. The part I found the post offensive was that they set up a second chat group! Vile vile vile people.

[munemema]

I'd imagine the timing is very much deliberate and also very much in the public interest so I don't know why the BBC should get their wrist slapped.

[notoafternoontea]

My understanding is that the men (let's not infantilise them. They are over 18) who did this were expelled AFTER protest on campus.

Responding to the protests of the masses is in no way "things moving on massively."

Things will have moved on massively when they have overhauled, comprehensively and completely, their disciplinary procedures, fired Peter Dunn for behaving completely innappropriately and outside his remit or, at the very least, put him on a final written warning and been transparent about it.

Then they need to be completely transparent about how they will deal with this particular sort of thing in future AND write a decent social media policy which they require all students to sign up to every year.

That's things moving on massively.

[yulet]

Dh and I were saying that last night @Hugospritz

It's definitely looking personal. Releasing it right before clearing like that.

[GCAcademic]

The boys that had originally been suspended were expelled.

They were not expelled. They decided not to return to their studies after the public outrage and after the head of the History department said that her staff would not teach them, and she would not make them do so.

And certainly, the press director acted inappropriately, but the blame also needs to be shared by the person that appointed him to the role of investigating officer which was an obvious conflict of interest. It's astonishing that this was not evident to that person - so astonishing in fact, that one can only assume it was deliberate.

There are also some recommendations in the investigation report that are worrying, including a tentative recommendation to the university to consider the use of restorative justice in future cases. This is completely inappropriate in cases of sexual harassment and assault. I would want to see how the University responds to this recommendation before saying that they have made positive changes.

[notoafternoontea]

@HugoSpritz, nope. I’m a mother of two daughters who will probably go to uni. And in my personal and professional life encounter misogyny and sexism on a daily basis.

The way in which universities (and it’s not just Warwick) minimise this kind of activity is pretty horrific.

I suggest you read Everyday Sexism by Laura Bates if you haven’t already.

[notoafternoontea]

@GCAcademic, agree with everything you said.

[GCAcademic]

My son works there and says that the attitudes of some of the male students (arrogant, misogynist, entitled) are still very much there.

I’m sorry to say that that kind of behaviour is not exclusive to Warwick. The internet has made young men far more misogynistic than my male peers were when I was a student, and it is far more unpleasant being a female student now than it has ever been. In all universities.

Also, can I point out, re she was not surprised when she heard about the rapes. This case was about a group chat, not actual rapes. And, again, I believe this could have happened at any university (and, indeed, there have been similar cases elsewhere). What is at issue here is the way the university’s management handled it.