help please re five unis

(26 Posts)
mumslife Sun 17-Aug-14 19:48:41

hi everyone

am hoping someone in the know can help please excuse my ignorance lolgrin
dd just done As and has got ACCC
two are going back for a re mark as close to a B.
her school have said her predictions will be Abb most likely could be slightly higher but going on that for now
do we put down
one aspirational choice ie AAB
three on target ABB
and one insurance BBB

I would be very grateful if anyone could advise if this is rightshock shock shock thank yousmile

GobblersKnob Sun 17-Aug-14 19:52:49

I don't quite understand, her final grades are ACCC? They may not go up with the re-mark, they often don't.

Is she applying though clearing?

mumslife Sun 17-Aug-14 19:58:06

no sorry she has just done her AS still has another year to go so her predicted grades as predicted by school at end of A2 are ABB hope tgis makes sence lolshock

mumslife Sun 17-Aug-14 19:59:31

was trying to establish what yo put on ukas form starting year thirteen in september

titchy Sun 17-Aug-14 20:01:40

Those sound very sensible to me - exactly what she should be doing. Depending on how confident she is of getting ABB she could maybe go for two aspirational rather than just the one, and have two rather than three on target applications.

TheWoollybacksWife Sun 17-Aug-14 20:09:53

I would say it makes sense.

Two years ago DD1 put
2 aspirational
2 on target
1 below target

She got offers from all of them and is studying at one of the aspirational ones.

mumslife Sun 17-Aug-14 20:10:26

thanks. the trouble is a lot that want AAB want an A in history in fact I think all of them do. her A is predicted in politics so am loathe to put down more than one straight history course at AAb ehen she is predicted a b in history
or do I put the other aspirational choice as a split degree history slash politics still aab but a can be in either history or politics
arghhhh what yo do never done this before and dont want to again lolgrin grin grin any help gratefully received thankssmile

mumslife Sun 17-Aug-14 20:11:33


MadameJosephine Sun 17-Aug-14 20:23:37

DS has i hope as he keeps changing his mind decided on 2 aspirational , both requiring high grades but I'm pretty sure only one of them specifies what subjects they need to be in. He has also put 2 'safe' choices where he is pretty confident he can make their standard offer and 1 'just in case' slightly lower one although he has said he would be prepared to take a year out and reapply if he only got the 'just in case' offer and then exceeded it.

At the end of the day only your DD can decide as she may feel that a particular University or course suits her better and that aiming high could give her the impetus to work her backside off in year 13

MillyMollyMama Sun 17-Aug-14 20:53:39

I think that universities get so many applicants who want to study History, they can be prescriptive about wanting an A in History and very choosy. Plenty of students will get this grade too. History is known to be pretty difficult to get onto at the best universities. If she only has a C at the moment in a History - I think this is what you are saying - is she really going to be successful obtaining a place at a university wanting an A in History, even if she scrapes a B at AS level? I would speak to her teachers and see if the A is realistically attainable, especially if the C does not become a B.

mumslife Sun 17-Aug-14 21:29:18

my gut feeling millymollymandy is she will rnd up with a b on history had a terrible teacher for half the history course this year . he has now leftshock now has two fantastic teachers. is six points away from a b so dont think she wil get an a
loves history though and wants to do it at uni. am sure with different teacher a b will be achievable which is what she is predicted
am wary about putting any more than one uni that wants an a for history regardless of if they predict her ABB or AAB the b is for the history in both cases the a is for politics so maybe do history politis split degree and then has to get the a in politics hope this makes sense lolsmile smile smile

BerylThePeril44 Sun 17-Aug-14 22:36:10

Hi...not sure if this helps. My ds just got ALevel results and off to uni of Sheffield to study history and politics...hurrah!!! Offer was ABB with A in history. After AS he got B in history and A in politics so we stressed all year about the A in history. Thankfully he got it but at the expense of politics which went down to B. Doesn't matter now as got what needed and into first choice uni :-) At history open day earlier in year somebody asked what would happen if the A was missed and staff member said they would still look favorably on young person who had made a commitment to them - ie; firmed the offer. Uni of Manchester also offered ABB with A in either so he put that as insurance. Good luck for this year...its such a worry xxx

boys3 Sun 17-Aug-14 22:46:32

Just a further thought on history mumslife - your DD needs to also consider what different courses cover beyond the grade requirements. Some will cover the full expanse from the dawn of time through to modern, some pick up from the fall of the Roman Empire, some from the Middle Ages, some only focus on modern. So if for example she has a strong interest in say the Tudors, she might be disappointed by a course that covered 1750 to the modern day.

She also needs her passion / seriousness for the subject to shine through on her PS. Despite DS1 having just gone through the process with results last week how much weight the PS really carries I'm still not wholly sure. Better however to be safe than sorry, and have a PS that adds to her chances particularly at the more aspirational end.

senua Mon 18-Aug-14 00:00:27

I always say to aim high so I would say 2 aspirational / 2 realistic / 1 safe. You seem to be treating all Universities as interchangeable. By the time you start being more explicit - definitely look at syllabus, decide on town v campus, look at near/far from home, etc - then there may not be so many choices anyway. For example if you look at Russell Group and knock out Oxbridge, London because it's too expensive and those that are too far-flung then you are probably down to only 10 to choose from.

Your DD doesn't have to resign herself to predictions based on AS results. If she puts in a storming start to Y13 then she might be able to persuade the teachers to predict higher grades.

BeckAndCall Mon 18-Aug-14 07:56:57

History is a tough subject to go from a C to an A in one year - just on the arithmetic, if she's got 69 UMS ( highest C score) she needs to score 91 next year to make an 80 average...... That's a tough call. It depends on the exam board, of course, and if there is course work and how strong she is in course work.....

And to be honest an AAB course isn't necessarily better than an ABB course - she should choose the one that inspires her. What era does she like? How many compulsory medieval modules? Does she like C20th political history etc.

Don't put down an aspirational course just for the sake of it - she should apply to the course that excites her.

UptheChimney Mon 18-Aug-14 09:26:02

do I put the other aspirational choice

I really hope your DD is doing this, not you?

But you could talk a few things through with her, and go to some Open Days. Have you been to any in her Lower 6th year to get some ideas?

Not all History degrees are the same, and it's important she undetrstands the outlines of each different syllabus & specialisations of the various Departments.

There is nothing more frustrating slight overstatement, but still than dealing with an undergrad who whines "oh this course isn't what I thought it'd be" A decent presentation at Open Day will go over the general outline of the 3 years' study. Se needs to listen to those sorts of talks & take notice of them.

Also, you could talk about the general kind of place she wants to study at. What sort of university does she want to go to? Campus university/green fields (Sussex, York, Lancaster)? Buildings across a city (eg Edinburgh, London, Manchester)? Country (eg East Anglia, Lincoln)? Big city (eg Leeds)? Small city/ town (eg Exeter)?

UptheChimney Mon 18-Aug-14 09:28:47

she should apply to the course that excites her

This ^^

The cap is lifted on numbers for pupils entering with ABB, but OTOH, History is seen as a solid Arts degree with very good learning & training for the rest of life, so it's competitive, and grades are often set as a combination of a) expectations of standard needed to thrive in the degree; and b) to control demand.

No good having loads of students admitted if you can't teach them in small groups.

mumslife Mon 18-Aug-14 09:40:09

thank you everyone so much for her to think about lolshock shock shock
very stressful
yes just saw manchester wanted abb for history slash politics so may need to look at that
for ehat is worth if her grades are predicted aab am not sure she is going to get aaa in fact I would say def not so in some ways I would prefer she is predicted abb as many unis for straight history degrees want a in history at aab level whereas at abb level tgey dont and wary of putting too many that want an a in history as likelihood is she wont get it even eith no longer having poor teacher is ten points away from the b already.
doesnt want to resit as there is loads and loads of it would only be resitting the russian half but feels it would impact on her a2 would rather try to make tge points upshock not sure how feasible this isshock
re personal statement she has been doing voluntary work in a museum two historical houses special history days and at a art gallery all comes under one thing. also at special historical event days tudor days am guessing that can all go on her statement. her epq is on tge history of childrens literaturesmile
thanks everyone for your help much appreciatedsmile

mumslife Mon 18-Aug-14 09:43:09

meant to add so far looked at uea which she loved this year straight history eent into clearing also do history politics where b could be in politics
looked at royal holloway whrre they indicated they would dtop grades if student comitted but most go home at weekends so a bit lonely possiblysad

LightastheBreeze Mon 18-Aug-14 09:47:41

She should look at the course content and the universities in general, for courses which need ABB and concentrate on them, but look at AAB and of course BBB for insurance, so what she is doing sounds sensible

DS got ABBB in his AS predicted ABB and went on to get AAC in his A2, He chose 1 AAB uni, 3ABB and 1BBB for the UKAS form. He ended up going to his first choice ABB one, which he put as his firm. He was very lucky as he had dropped to a C in one of is A2's but still got in, maybe because he got 2 A's. This was 3 years ago.

mumslife Mon 18-Aug-14 10:40:40

thanks for your help lightasabreze. you semed to havr done the same as us one insurance place three on target and one under. seemingly wuite a few got in this year dedpite dropping grades and surprisingly many courses went to clearing ones I would have thought wouldn't ofshock
what is your son studyingsmile

LightastheBreeze Mon 18-Aug-14 11:36:11

Oh this was 3 years ago, he has just graduated, thank goodness he got a 2:1 in physics, we're very proud. I don't think much has changed though, he went when it was the last year of the £3000 degrees so there were loads applying as some people didn't do gap years, so as not to miss the boat, so to say.

sashh Mon 18-Aug-14 16:29:35

or do I put the other aspirational choice as a split degree history slash politics still aab but a can be in either history or politics

You don't.

This is not you. There is no problem helping your child, discussing options and supporting but you should not be selecting universities.

cricketballs Mon 18-Aug-14 17:25:49

Your DD also needs to remember that whilst you apply to 5 unis, you can only choose 1 firm and 1 insurance. I would strobly recommend as others have said - research the courses, visit the unis and go with the best fit in terms of course and feeling of the place not what if the entry requirements are high

LightastheBreeze Mon 18-Aug-14 17:55:55

Also it does depend on things like your personal statement and other stuff as well. When DS was applying he got slightly different offers to a couple of his friends, same course and same university. Luckily DS's offer was a bit

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