still stuck on insurance offer- Exeter or Manchester(36 Posts)
DS is still insure on which insurance offer to accept for economics- Exeter AAA or Manchester AAB. He should get AAA (or hopefully A*AA so that he can go to Nottingham as first choice). Manchester is obviously the safer option (or Cardiff which is offering the same). Unfortunately, we haven't managed to visit Manchester, so no idea what it's like, though I have heard good things. And Professor Brian Cox is there!
English there is also very good. It is 4th in the Good University Guide. I know guides need to be taken with a pinch of salt, but both DDs have been really impressed with the quality of teaching there.
Exeter. It's one of the best regarded courses. As you can see from the most recent Graun rankings http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/table/2012/may/22/university-guide-economics
It has one of the highest employment rates after graduating. Now, don't get me wrong, I personally think there is a lot more to education than can you get a job, and I am in fact married to an economics academic but the bald truth is most people studying economics are doing so because they want to get a job not because they want to do cutting edge research. And by that criterion, Exeter is a better place to go. By that criterion only LSE, Warwick and Cambridge are better, and that sounds about right to me, when I consider what I see in the City. I know an awful lot of highly placed Exeter graduates, who are in positions to influence or control recruitment and to also influence the views of others on how good their alma mater is. Other universities may be more congenial, have better surroundings, have better staff:student ratios etc. But economics (and allied subjects eg accountancy) - essentially, the school of business and economics - is an area that Exeter has been getting right for some time. It's probably the only area I'd ever recommend the university for, actually.
RussiansOnTheSpree, are you saying that Exeter or Nottingham would be the better choice for economics? They appear generally equal in league tables. I agree with you Yellowtip. DD1 gained an excellent degree from Exeter, before it was Russell Group, but when it had an outstanding reputation for research and quality of teaching.
I went to the Business School at Cardiff and had the time of my life, even though I didn't particularly like my course. Cardiff is small enough that you can walk anywhere that you would want to go, but as a capital city has something for everyone (international sporting facilities, great theatre, big nightclubs, national museums, great shopping etc etc) and the university is right at the heart of the city - no isolated campus living. Also the student's union is very active (and rich!) so their facilities and clubs are excellent. It is a very economical city to live in, particularly when you consider all it has to offer. I really would urge him to consider it as an option.
greyvix I very much doubt that Exeter, Durham etc regard their joining of the Russell Group as being in any way a 'promotion'.
@Lilymaid you're right, Exeter and Nottingham aren't in the same league for economics, Exeter is better regarded and has been for many years, certainly by both the RAE as was, and the city. It really is an area in which the university has excelled for decades.
The hills are only 20-30 minutes by train from Piccadilly to somewhere like Glossop (trains run every 30 mins) so that option is also available at manchester too.
The train links to the rest of the country are excellent too, so you can be n the lakes/out by the coast/Liverpool, etc in under 2 hours.
It is a very left wing area here, but most of the north is socialist by inclination, with few right wing outposts.
I've worked at both those universities, Manchester and Exeter, and studied at one too. I'd say the are similar in academic reputation for many subjects (but I don't know about Economics), and both very popular generally with students. I'd choose between them by which type of university/city ds would prefer - by his extracurricular interests.
Manchester: urban, gritty, lots of music, clubs, thriving arts scene. Multicultural/multiethnic. Solidly left wing (university and city). High crime rate (students need good contents insurance).
Exeter; campus very pretty. Near the sea and moors. Good place for outdoor pursuits. Students can seem a bit on the sloany side, certainly the whole university is more traditional/right wing. High housing costs.
I was bought up in Barry, so know Cardiff really well. I can see that it would be a great place to live and study; my sister lives there. Exeter has recently been promoted to Russell Group though, along with Sussex and a couple of others.
I was bought up in Barry, so know Cardiff well. I can see that it would be a great place to live and study. Exeter has recently been promoted to Russell Group though, along with Sussex and a couple of others.
Exeter is RG, samuel. They joined, along with Durham and York, last year. The group decided to admit new members to allow for the fact that ratings and strengths have changed since the group was originally formed in 1994 ( and to allow for the fact that Durham just didn't turn up to the original meeting and therefore were not in the original group!). And RGis self selecting anyway, so there may not be huge differences between any of them and say, Sussex or UEA.
I'd say that individual subject ratings are more important than just being in the RG, or not.
Anyway, all of the unis being by greyvix's DS are RG, in any case.
If you look on some of the rating tables, Cardiff is better than Manchester for economics and better than Exeter also if you take out job prospects ( always pulls Cardiff ratings down as Wales has a hard time for grad jobs). However, Cardiff is a Russell Group uni while Exeter is not. I have known 5 close friends whose DC went to Cardiff, also my DC who did finance and all got grad trainee jobs very quickly. Cardiff is also very high on research and also lovely small, reasonably cheap city to live.
<<plonked on the Oxford Road, an grey, unglamourous commuter route>>
The Curry Mile is anything but grey! Whitworth Hall is very pretty too (the building that looks like Hogwarts), and there are a couple of nice parks along the route to halls too.
I like it - but perhaps that's because it is, in many ways, home to me.
Thanks everyone. I have three DDs who have already done the university thing- well one is still at Exeter, and the other two went to Exeter and Sussex. The girls all did English/ Media, which is my comfort zone (English teacher). I just don't know anything about economics!
Greyvix - from DS1 is an economist and went to Nottingham (turned down Exeter) for BSc and MSc - graduated 2008 and 2011. Nottingham is very well regarded for Economics and has a very strong and well regarded (internationally) department.
I think Exeter has moved up the ratings quite a lot recently and it gets candidates with good A levels, but I don't think it is quite in the same league for economics.
I say this as an Exeter graduate who had a fabulous time as a student there!
And as far as choosing between Manchester and Exeter, it really comes down to which environment DS prefers - large city or small city, though, fwiw, DS1 thinks that Manchester is better for economics than Exeter.
Busiest bus road in Europe
Erm, that's sort of my point.
Anyway, DD doesn't need a bus in Cardiff: university, accommodation, nightlife, shopping, jobs are all in walking distance.
It's not a grey commuter route it's actually called 'student corridor' and runs directly into fallowfield and Didsbury which are the main student living ares so its ridiculously easy to get the bus in and out for lectures. Busiest bus road in Europe.
They just didn't like the city feel of the uni
DD was the same. The University (or, at least, her bit of it) is plonked on the Oxford Road, an grey, unglamourous commuter route. It doesn't feel like academe.
It's the usual suspects, greyvix - Nottingham, Exeter, Warwick, Birmingham. York and Bristol are the ones where her brother and sister are so Re off her list (probably). But it's for science subjects, so not necessarily the same criteria as your DS.
Strangely, all three of mine have hated Manchester, for some reason. Not the course, but the place. They just didn't like the city feel of the uni, despite the great club scene. And yet I love it personally!
Mine have also included distance as a criteria - DD2 knows she wants to be relatively close to home (3hours or less) so isn't applying to Durham, for example. That said, DD1 used the same criteria but then fell in love with York and went anyway!
Anyway, I bet it won't matter for your DS as he'll get his firm offer anyway!
Thanks to everyone. I know that Exeter is really good for economics. Is it better than Nottingham? They are all good unis, and time is running out! BeckAndCall, where is DD2 applying?
Depends on the type of uni he wants - Exeter is a self contained campus, Manchester isn't. If he chose Nottingham in the first place, Exeter is more like that - although if your DD is there, you know that. We, too face the problem of DD2 not wanting to go to somewhere her siblings have been so ruling out top choices!
On the grades, it's not necessarily the case that holding an insurance of the same offer as the firm puts you automatically in clearing - it will depend on the take up for each place and course on the day. Plus, AAA is lower than the firm offer anyway. I would have thought, with the ABB rule (where unis are allowed to take any student with ABB or above without it impacting there control numbers), he would stand a good chance of being accepted with slightly lower grades in any case. But that would be a risk factor.
Exeter has the best reputation for economics out of all the universities mentioned. There is also currently an oversupply of student accommodation so I'd say it was unlikely anyone would end up in a grotty student shared house unless that's what they actually wanted to do.
Didn't do that one. Is that Tom H? If so I did have him once - he was a great tutor
My DD is at Manchester doing PPE and absolutely loves both the uni and the city. It's also a cheap place to live compared to where we live at least.
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