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Paid by the hour or salary - which do you prefer?

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SarahKMW Sun 08-Oct-17 10:11:46

We are a small company about to post a new admin assistant job (London W10) which will be 2-3 days a week, hours to fit with school run and no working during school holidays. Before we do, I'd like to ask if people prefer to be paid by the hour for the work they actually do, or salaried (with associated benefits such as pension, etc). As a small employer we can afford to pay more by the hour than as a salary, but we'd love some feedback before we post! Many thanks.

StealthPolarBear Sun 08-Oct-17 10:12:57

I thought you had to offer a pension scheme anyway?

Teddy7878 Sun 08-Oct-17 10:16:01

I'd prefer salaried as at least I know exactly how much I have coming in every month. It might work out less money but it's more reliable

SarahKMW Sun 08-Oct-17 10:17:33

Not if someone is working for you and charging your company on the basis they are self-employed. However, our bookkeeper says that if 80% or more of their total work is solely for our business - then, yes, you're right.

SarahKMW Sun 08-Oct-17 10:18:36

Sorry, new to this forum. My reply was to StealthPolarBear's comment!

Oly5 Sun 08-Oct-17 10:19:13

Salaried every time.

ClashCityRocker Sun 08-Oct-17 10:21:31

So your essentially considering using a freelancer over an employee?

Bare in mind your bookkeeper is not quite right - there is a hmrc tool to work through to decide whether they are employed or self-employed.

Personally I'd prefer salaried.

ClashCityRocker Sun 08-Oct-17 10:22:01

You're, sorry, not your.

SarahKMW Sun 08-Oct-17 10:24:27

We're looking at both options - just asking which one people out there generally prefer!

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut Sun 08-Oct-17 10:28:06

You can't just decide like that - it's not how it works. Employment status is complicated and there are different considerations for tax purposes and employment purposes (i.e. You can be considered self employed for tax purposes by HMRC but an employment tribunal could consider you employed). What you are suggesting sounds very much like an employer/employee relationship. There is nothing in the role you have outlined that would suggest they are self employed.

You need expert advice from a professional. Asking on an Internet forum like this (where you have no idea who you are talking to and where the "advice" is often wrong) is foolish. If you want professional advice go to a professional. You'll have to pay but it will be cheaper than the hassle and cost of getting it wrong.

Your book keeper is not an employment law expert. Clearly.

PM me if you want a recommendation.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut Sun 08-Oct-17 10:32:56

It won't be me I'm recommending btw - I'm too busy at the moment so not taking on ad hoc work smile

SarahKMW Sun 08-Oct-17 10:34:30

Lawks - it's our company and it's up to us how many hours we decide we're going to offer and whether we simply have a bybthe hour freelancer, hire a temp for our busy times, or employ someone on a salaried basis. I wasn't expecting to come on here to be attacked or accused of naivety.

Cakescakescakes Sun 08-Oct-17 10:34:41

Salaried role every time.

And pp’s are right that the decision whether this is a self employed or employed role is likely to be out of your hands.

BeachysFlipFlops Sun 08-Oct-17 10:37:05

If you do it salaried and do it as a % job, so a 30% job might be one day one week and two the next. Also allows you to have extra assistance when you need it and less during school holidays....

PeasAndHarmony Sun 08-Oct-17 10:38:57

I'd prefer salaried.

But you can call it what you like, the employment status of the person you employ is NOT defined by what you choose to call them (employee, freelancer etc).

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut Sun 08-Oct-17 10:40:25

Please take that attitude to HMRC or an employment tribunal and see how you get on grin

I suggested your actions were foolish. Not naive. There's a difference.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut Sun 08-Oct-17 10:42:46

As a general rule people prefer to be employed in accordance with the law. Where they are an employee they expect full employment rights.

Good luck with your company.

imsorryiasked Sun 08-Oct-17 10:43:35

I think most people will prefer salaried as they then have a guaranteed amount each week / month.
You run the risk of people "needing" more hours to do the work specified if you pay hourly.
But as other people have said - unless it's a one off project that you can outsource you are going to have to employ someone however you decide to pay them.

hellokittymania Sun 08-Oct-17 10:44:35

I would prefer salaried, and when I pay people, unless it's my personal assistant, or carer as the word I don't like to use, then I pay salaried. I run a very small organization, and it's much easier to just transfer a fixed amount.

SarahKMW Sun 08-Oct-17 10:49:13

Ok, so previous people in this role have been a) salaried, b) had their own Ltd companies which invoiced us and for whom we were not their sole source of income and c) hired temps through an agency. I do not want to get dragged into discussions about HMRC as that is for another topic. I am not a foolish person and based on some of the comments received so far I am concerned that Mumsnet may well not be the place to advertise any position, let alone one which should be a dream for any return to work parent who needs flexibility.

hippyhippyshake Sun 08-Oct-17 11:10:13

It would have to be salaried if you are aiming at the school hours market. It's unlikely that the people it would appeal to would want the angst of running a limited company or paying someone else to do their PAYE etc. Unless they are already in that position of course. Salaried, it sounds like an appealing job to me.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut Sun 08-Oct-17 11:18:50

I am not a foolish person and based on some of the comments received so far I am concerned that Mumsnet may well not be the place to advertise any position, let alone one which should be a dream for any return to work parent who needs flexibility.

I don't understand your logic there. If you're looking for people without the ability to think critically then I can see your point maybe? confused

Nobody has said you are a foolish person. What is foolish is asking for advice on a matter than requires people have a good understanding of employment law in a place that does not do exactly that. Does that make sense?

People are trying to be helpful even if you don't like what they're saying.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut Sun 08-Oct-17 11:20:06

If it's any help I won't be applying for the type of role you are offering grin

usernameavailable Sun 08-Oct-17 13:29:45

I have just inboxed you

SarahKMW Tue 10-Oct-17 15:41:40

Have done more research on this website over the past two days. Jobs are advertised as a) Permanent, b) Contract or C) Self-employed. Not one job description (and there are 15 part-time administration roles currently available) goes into the HMRC treatment of that particular role.

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