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Gifted & talented should be stopped!

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lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:12:55

I think this should be stopped it isn't accurate, it isn't fair and parents become self obsessed with it. Learning then becomes pressure for kids from parents to be top. If you didn't you wouldn't have this section. STOP IT!

avenanap Fri 03-Oct-08 21:17:24

Gifted and talented should be a term used to describe the brightest of children, not the top 10% of each school because when these children are moved to the new school they may not be the brightest IYSWIM.
A truly gifted child is alot different than this term. The government created this policy because they didn't want the parents of really bright children moving them to the private sector beause the schools couldn't cater for them. It didn't work. The truly gifted are still misunderstood and not given the emotional support they need (not all though)
Keep the section, I need support once in a while. smile

BoysAreLikeDogs Fri 03-Oct-08 21:19:29

What is it about this section that sets some people off on one ?

OP hide the thread, don't read, hide the topic.

Sheesh

cory Fri 03-Oct-08 21:21:11

Are we talking about the section or the school grouping?

I think the section has a function to fill. As for the grouping, never felt it had any impact on dc's life either way: dd was not affected by being included and ds was not affected by being excluded.

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:22:50

It seems to me there are so many kids better than other kids syndrome going on. I find this topic very interesting a lot of the time, but come on listen to some of them! lol

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:23:49

school grouping its awful.

BoysAreLikeDogs Fri 03-Oct-08 21:23:49

OP are you talking about what you read here on MN or what you hear at school?

Am a bit confused.

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:26:04

I don't think everybody is like this but I have seen kids pressured so much by parents. Primary age education should be enjoyed.

avenanap Fri 03-Oct-08 21:26:39

OP, you really wouldn't want a G&T child. I have no idea how to teach ds philosophy, nor am I able to explain why people kill each other or why the earth rotates only one way on it's axis or why the sun and earth were created. I am sick of buying books because ds reads so quickly or being snubbed by other parents beause ds is so advanced. I hate the arguments I have with ds because he wants to be treated like an adult, I also hate the speed he picks things up beause it's draining. I don't want to sit and work out the speed of a train or discuss newton's theories but this is the child I have. Like other parents with children who have special needs, this is our lot. You can start threads like this all you like, the very bright children will still exist and I for one joined this site because there were other parents who understood how hard it is to be a parent to a highly gifted child. It is a term used loosely though.

Piffle Fri 03-Oct-08 21:27:07

I'll try and stop my gifted kids for you then OP?
The schools labelling them means sweet FA to me for all the difference it makes.
If you are referring to the MN topic
Piss off those of us with G&t kids need that topic from time to time just as much as other topic headers.

Piffle Fri 03-Oct-08 21:28:42

I've never pressured my kids I'm dead laidback
Make em tidy rooms,unload dishwashers and allsorts
Infact if I had a chimney...

avenanap Fri 03-Oct-08 21:29:53

Not all parents push their children and put pressure on them. I have a happy, balanced child. He works at a very high level at school but is still a child. I don't make him do work in the holidays, he has fun. He has homework like all other children but he's still a child. I know parents that push their children, it's sad to watch. These children are not true G&T though, they are just forced to study alot. There's a big difference.

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:32:57

so have I My son is 18 now and by y3 he had read all the books in the school and could choose to read what he liked. achieved excellent sat results in year 6. could play tunes on a keyboard at 3 by ear. can play most instruments now by ear and not had a lesson. wrote scruffy and still does but content excellent. Very gifted by far and hated the exclusion it caused him and the presure that comes with it. i didn't have to push him he could just do it.
don't stop your kids being gifted enjoy them, take the pressure off!

roisin Fri 03-Oct-08 21:33:06

I think many parents (myself included) can be a bit PFB when children are first identified as G&T, but you learn to chill and get on with it. And MN G&T boards can help with that - the negative comments can help with that too.

I'm fortunate that my boys have been/are at schools which cater for them very well. But not all schools are like that.

Also, as they have got older, it is easier for us to meet their needs for extra challenge/stimulation and indeed for them to meet those needs themselves.

cory Fri 03-Oct-08 21:35:07

Seems the OP is talking about the school grouping from her 21:23 post and not about the situation of parents who have truly gifted children.

Just out of interest, lijaco, do you feel that G&T is worse than dividing the children into sets then? Because I always felt it had more impact if you were in top set or not.

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:35:09

do you know avenap I saw kids shouted at and pressured and I think a lot do it and it isn't natural.

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:37:17

I must be really slow don't know what you are saying cory?
Not many are truly gifted but thousands on here!!!!!!!!!!

BoysAreLikeDogs Fri 03-Oct-08 21:38:34

What are you saying?

To be truthful I find your posts garbled and incoherent.

LittlePushka Fri 03-Oct-08 21:41:44

Very interesting thread...thoughas both my boys are under two, I am not exactly sure what it means for these kids.

What is the difference between "gifted" and "talented" educationally speaking?

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:41:48

I have 4 clever lads and 1 girl very proud. My youngest is 17months and next is 4 years old. I teach ,at secondary school . I am in my thirties,so if you are saying that I am out of touch ? I don't think so! (cory)

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:41:52

I have 4 clever lads and 1 girl very proud. My youngest is 17months and next is 4 years old. I teach ,at secondary school . I am in my thirties,so if you are saying that I am out of touch ? I don't think so! (cory)

revjustabout Fri 03-Oct-08 21:44:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

avenanap Fri 03-Oct-08 21:45:47

I'd ignore the term to be honest, the Government messed up with this policy. No child should be pushed, childhood is precious. There is a difference between the ones that have been identified just to fill the quota and the ones that are truly gifted. You don't have to force a truly gifted child to study by the way, it does come naturally in most children. I've seen children pressurised, it's sad. Most of their parents didn't talk to me though. They would be the ones getting extra homework for their children, spending all weekend making them work, and the holidays too. Ds did his homework and would ask questions, that was it. There's no point forcing him, he'll just rebel when he's older as alot of these pushed children will.

lijaco Fri 03-Oct-08 21:45:59

boysarelikedogs well everybody else seems to?

revjustabout Fri 03-Oct-08 21:47:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

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