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Blipbip Wed 05-Jul-17 20:42:34

Okay I know this is a smug post but I can't exactly go round telling all and sundry in real life so the internet is getting it.

DS's SAT results are really good, I mean he was predicted to exceed expected standards or whatever the correct terminology is, but I didn't expect him to get nearly everything right.

Maths 115
SPAG 115
Reading 113

Thanks for listening, as you were grin.
very very proud mum

Neolara Wed 05-Jul-17 20:44:27

Blimey. That is good. Maximum is 115? Well done your ds.

Wherehasmydevilcomefrom Wed 05-Jul-17 20:44:50

You should be really proud of him. Well done to your DS.

Babymamamama Wed 05-Jul-17 20:46:47

Congrats OP. Sorry to be nosy but how did you find out your results? My DC is y2 and we haven't been told anything. Is it automatically told to all parents or did you have to ask. Does it have anything to do with standardised scores. Sorry so many questions you can tell I'm confused. Any way congrats.

Blipbip Wed 05-Jul-17 22:24:48

Hi Baby, we got his school report on Monday which had the basic outline results for the SATs (3x working at greater depth at expected standards) so curiosity got the better of us and we asked what his score was blush. His teacher gave us a price of paper with Maths 60/60, SPAG 40/40 and reading 37/40. I did a bit of googling to convert to the scores.
DS goes to a state school that was designated failing a few years ago and had a pretty poor OFSTED this year so his teacher is rightly chuffed to bits though probably not as proud as me

Babymamamama Thu 06-Jul-17 14:49:09

That's brilliant you must be so pleased. I think will ask. We have already had the school report which included the standardised scores but I think that's different. Anyway well done.

Blipbip Fri 07-Jul-17 13:47:42

Thanks, I am really pleased. Hope you get the results, I think some schools can be reticent about giving them out.

thefemaleJoshLyman Sun 09-Jul-17 14:38:13

We're in the same position Blip. Dd achieved three scores of 115. Trying to work out next steps, we don't think she is being challenged enough at school.

Massive congratulations to your DS! :-)

PeacefulPoster Sun 09-Jul-17 23:22:29

Awww well done! Isn't it awful we have to keep it to ourselves! Can I join in too? My DS6 did fab too, Maths 114, Reading 113 and SPAG 114!

I had to ask for results though as we just got told GDS xx

Blipbip Mon 10-Jul-17 10:09:00

Congratulations to your DC, great scores!

I know what you mean JoshLyman, not being challenged is an understatement but I'm not really sure what to do. The thing with the school is that although it has a poor reputation that is mainly historic, the OFSTED wasn't great but it wasn't catastrophic either. But these factors and the fact that it is situated in a council estate is making it very unpopular with the generally middle class populace of our area. This has actually worked to our advantage as class sizes have remained small (22 in DS's class). Unfortunately they are planning to mix his class with year 4 next year bringing the class size up to 30 of very mixed ability DC. DS loves school and has never complained of being bored, I think if that happens we really will have to consider other options.

MerryMarigold Mon 10-Jul-17 10:14:26

We just got told 'exceeded expectation' in Maths and English (not broken down) last year for ds2 who is very bright. I wish I knew now, but anyway....it could all change by the time it means something (ie. GCSEs/ A levels). Wouldn't want that pressure even if it's just in my own head.

ukeleleleku Mon 10-Jul-17 10:36:30

My dc also exceeded expectation in all areas. What is the benefit of asking for the exact score and will the school think I am being precocious asking for the results?

ukeleleleku Mon 10-Jul-17 10:36:58

and well don to your ds!

Blipbip Mon 10-Jul-17 10:50:10

The school must give you the results if you ask for them - ours just gave us the raw scores and I looked up how to find the standardised score.

DS is insanely competitive with himself so he really wanted to know how he did. He is not interested in anyone else's score he just wanted to know that he got the score he thought he deserved. I don't think the school judged us for asking, I don't really care if they do. Other than personal interest I don't know if there is any advantage to knowing the scores at this stage they are only 7 and as Marymarigold says it could all change.

ukeleleleku Mon 10-Jul-17 11:42:01

Thank you Bli. Just noticed my bad spelling, especial precocious instead of precious blush grin.

dungandbother Mon 10-Jul-17 14:00:28

I'm rightly proud of my son too.
I don't have his raw scores yet. I will ask.
He changed schools in May just before the tests.

I'm curious on how he "tests" i.e. stress and attitude.

I have his standardised scores. Are all raw scores a direct correlation to a scale so any child say scoring 55/60 gets a standardised score of say 111?

Or is age considered?

He got 110 reading and 111 maths.

Blipbip Mon 10-Jul-17 14:14:29

It is really confusing but komodo helped explain a bit. I used this to work out the scale.

I don't think age is considered and DS is early September born so has a huge advantage.

dungandbother Mon 10-Jul-17 16:37:08

Great link blip thank you.
So DS got 55/60 for maths and 35/40 for Reading. They didn't report spag so I will ask for this. He loves spag hmm but then again I'm a pedant.

I was told by previous school he had met the expected standard back in February.
Needless to say his behaviour dropped (there were a myriad of reasons).

New school and he is happier and more engaged. Behaviour isn't perfect but his report praises his work ethic. One day he'll be proud of that!

He's mid June bday. His report purely states expected.

dungandbother Mon 10-Jul-17 16:43:54

Blip one of the myriad of reasons was split class. It really let him down.

Blipbip Mon 10-Jul-17 18:00:54

I'm dyslexic so the fact that a child of mine could get 100% in SPAG staggers me grin. DS is a pedant like his dad and loves SPAG.

I am nervous about the mixed class thing, but I think our only other option is the local prep but it would bankrupt us blush.

MerryMarigold Tue 11-Jul-17 10:00:09

Just a consideration with prep/ private route...I would think about your child's competitive side, because it may be best NOT to foster this too much for him emotionally. (I've seen the consequences of this pressure in their teens). If it were me, I would try and challenge him in other ways eg. Karate, creative writing course, drama, music lessons, sports training etc. This will create simulation for him outside school, give him an outlet for competitiveness without it being too purely academic.

Blipbip Tue 11-Jul-17 13:24:14

Thanks for the advice Merry, DS does do music, swimming and football out of school. I don't want to do so much that he is exhausted by the end of the week.

LTBiscuit Tue 11-Jul-17 13:27:05

My son got 115 for each category too.. what next steps are there to take? Surely if they're doing well just keep things as they are?

Blipbip Tue 11-Jul-17 13:59:03

Hmm, well I'm not planning his application for Oxford just yet but I am trying to make sure that my happy, confident little bobstays happy and confident and enjoying school. For me next steps involve finding a new music teacher and talking to the school about adequate challenges. They have a tendency to be very surprised when he meets their challenges easily which is not helping his growth mindset (they do far to much praising for cleverness and not enough praise for effort).

Blipbip Tue 11-Jul-17 14:01:16

Well done to your DS 3x 115 is an outstanding result!

LalalalaaaCantHearYou Tue 11-Jul-17 14:03:34

I think it's upto the school whether they give parents KS1 results

Blipbip Tue 11-Jul-17 14:59:37

Lalala, they should give them you if ask, but they don't have to give them to you in scores as part of the school report.

BurnTheBlackSuit Tue 11-Jul-17 16:56:02

We have just got told the working at greater depth thing. Does this relate to a range of scores does anyone know?

Babymamamama Tue 11-Jul-17 17:09:06

I've also now been giving the working at greater depth categories. I asked one of the deputies this morning if I could have the actual scores but he seemed not keen to provide these. I guess it doesn't matter but i would just like to know. I was told the "working at greater " comes about as a combination of score and teacher perception. Clear as mud really!

Blipbip Tue 11-Jul-17 17:29:46

I posted this link further up, it does explain but it is ridiculously complicated. Schools are obliged to tell you the score if you ask but they don't have to give you the graded score.
Working at greater depth is a range of scores as far as I know but I'm not sure what the range is.
The school sent home a breakdown of their marks compared to the national average today. They measure up quite well really.

BurnTheBlackSuit Tue 11-Jul-17 17:59:03

From TES website, it appears the levels reported to parents aren't actually how the children did in the test, but are their performance accross the whole year based on on going teacher assessments. So if a child fell asleep in the SATS they could still receive a working at the expected level score.

However, I also found this from last year that says that 100+ is expected standard and 110+ is greater depth. So I'm not sure how they do it! I will ask the school for actual test results..

Blipbip Tue 11-Jul-17 19:09:15

TBH I read that all the SATs papers have been available online for months now anyway which kind of invalidates the whole process! I am still very proud of DS, he has done exceptionally well.

singymummy Wed 12-Jul-17 22:38:02

Well done everyones kiddies!!

Very proud of my boy.

He's In school that's in special measures that is changjng to an academy changjng name and uniform!!

He's pulled it out the bag tho grin
115 - grammar, punctuation, vocabulary & spelling
115 - reading
109 - mathematics

dungandbother Thu 13-Jul-17 22:25:29

Ah singy that's fab!
DS teacher must have come from a school like yours, (now teaching in a naice ish one) as she is so obviously madly proud of her class this year. She said she'd like them back in year 6 to finish her first ever sats year and close the loop. What a lovely career aspiration.

I got DS raw scores.

He changed school on 8 May so had one week before tests. I wondered if from then to end of term, his teacher would amend his standardised score.

She hasn't. He scored
R 35/40
Sp 32/40
M 55/60

She said she can't evidence any more as he hasn't been there long enough.

I'm so so so proud of my boy. And totally jealous that whilst he inherited my love of words and English, he also won a maths brain as well. (No maths brain for me!) grin

AnnaFender Sun 06-Aug-17 11:19:12

Hoping I can reignite this thread! My August born got (what I think are) great scores:
SPAG 113
Reading 115
Maths 113
Although only 'working at greater depth in SPAG and Reading. I know that it takes into consideration teacher assessment through the year, but still seems pretty tough!
What I want to understand tho is how common these sort of scores are? I think it would be helpful to know what sort of percentage of kids get a score between say for e.g. 100-105 105-110 110-115 maybe? But then saying all that, it's just for my personal curiosity! I'm well aware of things changing/SATs reflect school/pros and cons of even doing them in the first place!

user789653241 Sun 06-Aug-17 18:20:38

Anna, I think teacher can't give a child GDS without everyday evidence, even if they scored quite high on SATs.
This link shows you what kind of things the child need to be doing to get GDS. If you think your dc is capable, but not challenged enough to show his ability, then you really need to speak to the teacher.

www.ncetm.org.uk/public/files/25627338/Mastery_Assessment_Yr2_Low_Res.pdf

Link for yr3.(for your reference.)

www.ncetm.org.uk/public/files/23305581/Mastery_Assessment_Y3_Low_Res.pdf

HollyBollyBooBoo Sun 06-Aug-17 18:49:22

So glad I stumbled across this thread. DD got similar scores, I knew they were good l, she's always been at the top of the class,l hard worker etc, but I guess didn't realise how good.

Should I be doing anything different/special with DD?

user789653241 Sun 06-Aug-17 20:04:26

Holly, if you had no worries until now, school must be doing good job of stretching her.

AnnaFender Sun 06-Aug-17 22:04:23

Thanks, irvine That's really helpful.

Feenie Sun 06-Aug-17 22:22:01

However, I also found this from last year that says that 100+ is expected standard and 110+ is greater depth.

The tests only test to 'expected' level. For an award of greater depth, teachers have to assess children's classwork against the Interim Framework for Teacher Assessment at KS1:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/2017-interim-frameworks-for-teacher-assessment-at-the-end-of-key-stage-1

TBH I read that all the SATs papers have been available online for months now anyway which kind of invalidates the whole process!

That's absolutely not the case - schools may choose when in May to administer the tests but there were very strict rules about locking them away, spot checks made to random school without warning and dire warnings about maladministration.

Last year, the dfe accidentally leaked the SPAG paper in a string of incompetent and embarrassing incidents. The paper was suddenly made optional because it became invalid and the new SPAG test this year remained optional also. That might be what you'd read.

user789653241 Mon 07-Aug-17 18:55:18

Thing is, this new sats aren't really helping highly able children to show their true ability, imo. It's a same test for everybody, and don't go beyond what is expected. So if two child scored perfect score, one can be just an above average child, and other can be totally exceptional, but cannot show their true colours.
But of course I would expect the teacher to determine the difference and hopefully stretch them accordingly.

Feenie Mon 07-Aug-17 20:25:07

The difference would be the work they produce in class and would be nothing to do with a one off test in May - which, as you say, only tests to 'expected' anyway.

But teachers should be ensuring children reach greater depth in their class work long before May - there is such a huge amount of evidence that must be gathered to award it.

user789653241 Tue 08-Aug-17 06:24:40

I agree, Feenie, but what the work children can produce in class really depend on the teacher.
My ds always had silly targets, something he can do already. Once I questioned about his target, said he can already do that, and teacher's response was "we haven't covered that yet." But he is still getting GDS for maths, so I feel very confused.

Feenie Tue 08-Aug-17 09:59:13

It's not a great situation, I agree. Because of the way the assessment system works, it doesn't matter whether your ds can already do it - his work needs to show that he can do it, usually on more than one occasion, and there are moderators who will check for this. If the evidence isn't there, the award of GDS can't be given. It's up to teachers to think of ways to do that within the Interim Framework that can stretch and challenge each child.

Blipbip Fri 18-Aug-17 08:33:58

Feenie thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding about the papers being available online, I must have missunderstood.

When I did the OP I was so proud of him. 3 weeks into the summer holidays and I'm wondering how any teacher copes! Non stop chatter, on and on..

The school did send us home the statistics on percentages working at greater depth, expected rate and towards expected level and how they compared to the national average. I'll have to dig itout but iirc 3-4% are GDS. our school compares well with the national average, not better than but just about on track.

caperberries Sun 10-Sep-17 09:59:25

The tests are all available online now, I've just had a look. I have to say, in light of all the hype and horror stories on Facebook and in the media earlier in the year, the tests themselves don't seem particularly arduous or unreasonable? I'm sure a lot/most children will have scored fairly well and imagine that a bright child could be expected to get perfect or close to perfect marks?

My 7 year old is at an independent prep, so didn't sit the SATs, but it is the sort of work she could perform very easily.

Hiddeninplainsight Wed 13-Sep-17 13:23:25

Caperberries, I'm not sure if you are aware, but your post doesn't come across very well. Well done to your DD if she could do that all very easily, but clearly if you are looking at the tests online, and are that interested in all of the stories, you are aware that not all children manage really easily. Possibly a more constructive tone might help.

Chickenkatsu Wed 13-Sep-17 13:29:18

Blip: Did you use any study aids or apps?

Blipbip Fri 29-Sep-17 22:34:36

Chicken sorry only just caught this.
I'm afraid I'm one of those parents who hates homework and never really encourage my DC to do it. As DS was 7 when he did the SATs I couldn't have put less emphasis on the whole thing. The school however did take is quite seriously and he did go to booster club once a week- he wanted to and it meant we didn't have to collect him till 4 so win win grin.

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