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TAMUM .. I see you posting

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Twiglett Sun 27-Mar-05 10:51:53

.. do you happen to know the answer to this

Twiglett Sun 27-Mar-05 10:52:13

hello.o..o.o wee scot BTW

tamum Sun 27-Mar-05 10:57:50

Helloooo I just posted to you on the circumcision thread. I hope you're alright.

I don't personally believe in the concept of "overloading" in the context of vaccines, it doesn't make much sense to me immunologically, but immunology isn't my strong point! I wouldn't be concerned about a 4 year old normally, but I know that with your history of autoimmune disease in your family you need to tread carefully. Is there any chance you could get his blood tested for immunity? Obviously if he's already immune there's no need for him to have a booster, but a blood test might be quite unpleasant for him.

Twiglett Sun 27-Mar-05 11:12:49

aha you spotted my conundrum quite quickly there

the immunity test I believe isn't conclusive, and it costs over £200 (which added to the £280 for second round sepvax is a lot ) and that's just one child, haven't even considered what we're doing with DD yet (who had thimerosal-free primaries, unlike DS)

I must admit I am veering towards the actual MMR for his boosters, and potentially for DD's primaries, after everything I've read in the last year or so my beliefs are changing slightly... I just wish some scientist could provide me with irrefutable evidence

Its like gambling at the moment and is driving me doolally ,.. especially as DH just says 'whatever you think is best' (arrrgghh men .. I blame it on his foreskin meself )

oh well

marthamoo Sun 27-Mar-05 11:19:54

I hope you're OK too - circumcision is one of those heated topics that invariably gets out of hand. I only posted on it at all 'cos I was pissed as a fart - sorry for singling you out in my comments (I was nice though!)

tamum Sun 27-Mar-05 11:25:16

at the foreskin argument!

Well, I would go for MMR myself, but it's easy for me to say. I don't think there are any cases of regression after the preschool booster in children who have been fine up until then. Sadly, there is never going to be irrefutable evidence, not because of any government cover-up but because epidemiology is all you can do unless you do really invasive and unethical testing on children with autism. Not being much help, am I, sorry.

Jimjams Sun 27-Mar-05 11:41:06

err there are a few cases of regression following the booster (sorry! but not as many as following the first course. And of course regression into autism can occur at 4 anyway (Sam from George and Sam for example).

Jimjams Sun 27-Mar-05 12:00:39

up to date stuff If this is correct you might want to be extra careful if thimerosal containing jabs were ever given.

Twiglett Sun 27-Mar-05 12:08:12

thanks Jimjams .. am trying to understand that piece

I wish there were some signs I could look for .. maybe unusual bowel movements??

All I know is that DS has a fairly strong immune system and doesn't tend to get ill, which should make me confident, but as DH's disease is a product of his immune system working overtime I worry that it may not be such a great sign - that's a totally Quack conclusion isn't it?

Jimjams Sun 27-Mar-05 12:15:14

well the risk group in as far as it has been identified is having a family history of autoimmunity. But this risk could be from thimerosal (from the Hornig paper) perhaps with virus triggering a later regression.

Ummm think it's worth looking up Walsh's work on this as well- something like this . note the ropy MT function leads to hypersensitivities to metals and viruses.

Jimjams Sun 27-Mar-05 12:19:55

fact is though twiglett you're never going to get the answers you need either way so you just need to make a decision based on gut feeling really.

Twiglett Sun 27-Mar-05 12:59:46

<sigh> I think I know that already .. I just want someone else to tell me what to do

thanks so much for links

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