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go too forceful feeling LO abdomen

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bumbly Mon 20-Aug-07 17:43:19

baby 4 weeks old

gp trying to diagnose pyeloric stenosis....

palpitating abdomen to see anything..

but my concern...could he have hurt little one? i was a bit concerned as it seemed he was placing a lot of pressure on the little one - he is so tiny and fragile and last thing he needs is strong hands squeezing him



gp was pressing belly, tummy and back in and out....

worried

ps think gp is still novice and young

PrettyCandles Mon 20-Aug-07 17:51:15

Sorry to hear you're having to look at pyloric stenosis. About the gp - cast your mind back to when the baby had his post-birth check...Do you recall how forcefully the dr bent his legs and pressed them back to check whether the hips clicked? It can be quite alarming to see how drs handle tinies when checking them, but theya re really tougher than they look (the babies!). Of course he seems tiny and fragile, and in many ways he is, but he is designed for life and survival, he is designed to make you want to look after him, he is not designed to 'break' easily!

When ds2 was 8 days old we got refered back to hospital, and I recall watching the paediatrician sit him up - and let go. How ds2 slumped! It was quite shocking. But he was fine - it was a necessary test and not harmful.

So I think your ds is probably fine, and highly unlikely to have been harmed by the gp's checks.

MatNanPlus Mon 20-Aug-07 17:56:22

Bumbly, does LO seem unsettled, upset, sicking more since the exam?

As PC says babies are very tough and not easily broken.

Ceebee74 Mon 20-Aug-07 18:30:05

Oh bumbly - if you need someone to talk to about it, I am here. DS was diagnosed with pyloric stenosis at 7 weeks old (12 months ago now - but the memory is so vivid as it really was an awful time). Fingers crossed it is not that as I would not wish it on anyone - did you get a diagnosis?

Plus, babies are tough little things and I think they have to be quite firm to be able to feel anything (from what I can remember about DS's examination - although they couldn't feel anything - it was diagnosed by blood tests/ultrasound eventually).

Seriously if you need to talk, feel free

bumbly Mon 20-Aug-07 19:28:57

i hope it is not PS

projectile vomiting every so often at the mo - but not after every feed..so far putting on weight and weeing ok -

but once had vomiting and blood in his mouth - did you have that ceebee?

what was your vomiting like - LO seems to vomit a bit after big feeds through mouth and nose - not curdled though....

he also has lots and lots of wind - so could only be severe wind bringin up liquid together

worried

yup palpitation was probably not as tough as it looked - but still new feeling of having someone "touch" my LO - really unpleasant and didn't like it

still think he was rough but there you go

so what I have been told is to wait and see if Lo thrives and puts on weight - if he does apparently it can't be PS

Ceebee74 Mon 20-Aug-07 19:56:02

Ds was always a 'sicky' baby from day one but it is hard to know what is normal and what isn't when you are a first-time mum.

The frequency of vomiting gradually increased as time went on (i.e once every couple of day, then once a day, then after every other feed, then after every feed).

The 2 things that stick out in my mind that in hindsight, made it obvious that this wasn't just your average 'sicky' baby was firstly my mum saw him being sick after a feed when he was about 6 weeks old and said 'that isn't normal for a baby to be sick so violently (it was coming out of his nose aswell as mouth). Secondly, he was sick at my sisters about 2 hours after a feed and the whole feed came up - she said 'that isn't normal for so much milk to come back up that long after a feed'.

Also, DS never projectiled vomited - it was just very forceful and came gushing out but never really flew over the other side of the room.

In terms of diagnosis - I spoke to the HV when he was 6 weeks (when he was being sick once or twice a day) and she said it was probably reflux and he would grow out of it. I took him to the doctors that afternoon as he was violently sick again who diagnosed gastroentritis - and told me that diorrhea (sp?) would probably follow - whch of course it didn't. Vomiting got worse over the next few days so took him to a different GP who diagnosed reflux and gave us gaviscon which just made the vomit like porridge. That night, DS woke at about 2am, puked in his crib and there were reddy/brown bits in it which alarmed me so we took him straight to A&E. It was after 2 days in hospital that they eventually diagnosed it (I think because a nurse witnessed his vomiting and said how forceful it was).

BTW, they told me that the blood in his vomit was nothing really to be concerned about as it is just when people vomit frequently the stomach acid causes the top of the stomach to bleed (apparently common in bulimics aswell).

I know I have wittered on here but there may be something here that rings bells with you and helps you push for a diagnosis (or put your mind at rest that it isn't pyloric stenosis).

In terms of thriving, DS's weight gain was perfectly ok - I had him weighed at nearly 7 weeks and he was still on his original centile as he had been all along. It was only when they weighed him at A&E 5 days later that we realised he had lost over 1lb in less than a week so the weight drop was quite dramatic and only in the last week when he was vomiting after every feed.

As I said, I really wouldn't wish it on anyone because that whole period was really stressful - me and DH daren't leave the house in case DS vomited everywhere. The only time we would feel comfortable going anywhere was just after he had been sick but before his next feed

Apologies again for wittering but I hope this helps you.

PrettyCandles Tue 21-Aug-07 14:20:32

Is he breastfed? If so, then get together with a breastfeeding counsellor, or go to a breastfeeding support group, and have a look at your positioning. It oculd be that he is taking in a lot of air with the feed, which is making the vomitting worse. Certainly I found that with all my babies - not just the two sicky ones - a lot of wind made them more likely to vomit, and more likely to have a larger vomit.

Actually, the positioning and taking air in probably holds true for ff baby as well.

Not saying that it's not ps or gr, just that the wind with vomit thing sounds familiar to me, and perhaps something could be done about that at least.

And your 'still new feeling of having someone "touch" my LO' also very familiar to me. Can completely sympathise with that!

bumbly Tue 21-Aug-07 19:43:27

ceebee thanks tons for your ever so comprehensive reply!! i printed it and read ot my hubby

will def keep an eye out for ps

thanks so much and your words were read and reread!!

bumbly Tue 21-Aug-07 19:43:53

pretty:

wish i could have a counsellor look at my ff position but noone here to do it!!

Ceebee74 Wed 22-Aug-07 08:52:08

Bumbly - I hope I didn't bore you and your DH with tales of my DS - just hope you find it helpful and I am really keeping my fingers crossed that it is not ps for yours and your DS's sake

If you want any more information, feel free to e-mail me (binnscharlotte @ hotmail dot com - no spaces)

macdoodle Wed 22-Aug-07 09:35:37

oh dear need to be quite vigorous to exam and pick up PS (even new young GP will know how to examine a babe..really) ....try not to get overley neurotic and good luck

bumbly Wed 22-Aug-07 15:57:35

thanks

PrettyCandles Wed 22-Aug-07 18:45:34

Hold him so that his head is higher than his bum, and when you bring the bottle towards him tease him slightly with it by stroking the teat on his upper lip. The idea is that he brings his head up to take the teat. Make sure he has a good seal around the teat, with his lips curled outwards and his mouth gaping well around it, not puckered up.


Must dash, I@m needed, more later.

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