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coffeeneeds Thu 27-Jun-19 20:26:26

I should start by saying, I fully support and am thankful for the immunisations available and think the NHS does a wonderful job.

However, DS is due his MMR and I'm not sure why but I have this really weird, anxious feeling about it. He has had all of the other vaccinations and I never felt like this about them. I can't really identify why I am worrying so much but I suppose my reasoning is:
1) I have read and heard irl (SIL) that their babies have 'changed' after having it.
2) I have heard of risks associated with the vaccine, although I do keep these in perspective compared to the risk of illness.
3) I just have this (probably irrational) foreboding feeling about it.

I don't know why I am feeling like this at all, I'm generally not an anxious person at all but I can't shake this feeling. (Paranoia?confused)

I would ideally pay for them to be done individually but I can't find any information on where / how this can be done. Any advice/ extra info would be appreciated - and also tell me how all your DC were fine!

MindyStClaire Thu 27-Jun-19 21:41:17

You feel that way because of all of the negative press and discussion about the MMR. None of the other vaccines are discussed as much. I suspect you know this, but - the MMR is safe, and the doctor who did the original study suggesting a link to autism has been completely discredited had to give up his licence.

It did hit DD the hardest of the vaccines but other friends have said the opposite. For DD it was high temps about a week after and then a couple of restless weeks (although could also have been colds, teething etc). Then back to normal, no different to before - except for hopefully being immune to some nasty diseases.

M0reGinPlease Thu 27-Jun-19 22:04:07

Your concerns are totally unfounded and based on absolute bollocks touted around by idiots.

Please vaccinate your child.

HermioneWeasley Thu 27-Jun-19 22:05:16

It’s perfectly safe. You feel anxious because there’s been a persistent mistruth. Please vaccinate

Lilyndel Thu 27-Jun-19 23:30:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

flumpybear Thu 27-Jun-19 23:35:49

It's the negative hype - I felt the same way and am a scientist so rationalised it but still quizzed clinical
Colleagues (who also felt the same and super researched it too)
Saying that ALL vaccines carry risk but the risk of the disease is far greater

SpoonBlender Thu 27-Jun-19 23:42:59

All vaccines carry a small risk.

That risk is far, far, far smaller than the risk generated by the disease.

Just get on with it, and your child and society at large will thank you for it.

BiffNChips Fri 28-Jun-19 00:04:46

HermioneWeasley

It’s perfectly safe. You feel anxious because there’s been a persistent mistruth. Please vaccinate

You can't claim it is perfectly safe when it comes with a list of potential side effects as long as your arm.
Read the package insert and weigh up the risks vs benefits for your own child.

Most "anti vaxxers" are ex vaxxers, and not for no good reason.

Shrimpi Fri 28-Jun-19 00:18:22

I am a paediatrician (a doctor that looks after children and babies).

People are often most concerned about the MMR because it is the vaccine that was targeted by Andrew Wakefield. He was paid to discredit the MMR vaccine by solicitors interested in making cash off of claims that it was harmful and linked to autism. At the same time he patented an alternative single vaccine against measles. In order to meet his own financial interests, during the infamous MMR-autism study he conducted, amongst other things (fraudulence etc) he subjected the autistic children in his study to painful invasive procedures they did not need - colonoscopy and lumbar puncture. He doesn't care about children. He hurt children for money. I don't think it is said enough.

Though fatality from measles is very rare, the illness is no joke. And if a child is unlucky (around 1/1000 mortality) and does get a serious or fatal complication such as encephalitis, sepsis, SSPE and so on with measles, there isn't a treatment that can stop it. You can't take back or make up for a decision not to protect your child. Rubella poses an appalling risk to pregnant women and mumps can cause infertility. All of these illnesses are seen in children right now, in this country, because of low vaccine uptake and for no other reason. They are becoming more common. The risk is getting higher and higher. Unfortunately, I think vaccine refusal is not going to abate until measles is so common that many children die and people become truly afraid. People are never afraid soon enough. Beat the curve!

Speaking for myself I am so concerned about exposure of my own baby to measles through my work and in general, that I decided to request an extra MMR at 6 months old. The relationship between MMR and autism has been investigated thoroughly and repeatedly. It doesn't exist. My son found the immunisation painless but was grottier for a couple of weeks a short while after. Related? I don't know. He is his perfectly, happy, cheerful healthy self now and I will make sure he finishes his schedule. I pursued the extra immunisation because however unlikely it is, I could not entertain the possibility of him suffering with a serious illness because I failed to protect him.

If you do not feel comfortable about your baby having MMR, the single immunisations are as effective. Please, do whatever you must to protect your child from these awful diseases.

However, I would advise that if you go for the separate injections, you will have spent money you could have saved for something else, and you are definitely or potentially increasing the risk of actual side effects of immunisations (sore injection site, risk of fever, feeling unwell, rare instances of things like ITP etc) by having three times as many separate immunisations.

XXcstatic Fri 28-Jun-19 00:23:31

You can't claim it is perfectly safe when it comes with a list of potential side effects as long as your arm.

So exactly like every other medicine, then? Check out the leaflets that come in the packet of paracetamol or ibuprofen and you'll see just as many.

Childhood vaccines are incredibly safe. Measles is incredibly dangerous. Mumps and rubella can also have serious side effects.

The MMR has been studied to exhaustion. It is one of the safest medicines on Earth. In Finland, for example, they followed up a million and a half patients after MMR and not a single one had any long-term problem from it.

Nothing is 100% risk free, but the risks of MMR are miniscule compared to the risks of getting measles. You need to keep this in proportion. You probably give your baby Calpol - paracetamol has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. You probably drive in a car with your baby - millions of people have been killed on the roads (worldwide).

Andrew Wakefield, who started the MMR scare, was being paid by a Pharma company that made single vaccines - a fact that he concealed. He was trying to discredit MMR to make money. He experimented on children without their parents' consent (in some cases) and he falsified his data. He was a complete and utter twunt. Please don't let his lies deter you from protecting your baby.

BiffNChips Fri 28-Jun-19 09:16:52

XXcstatic

Yes, so you just confirmed my point, that it isn't "perfectly safe".

nespressowoo Fri 28-Jun-19 09:19:15

It is safe. MMR rates are now picking up slowly. Please do the right thing and get your child immunised.

moreismore Fri 28-Jun-19 09:22:26

I noticed recently that the nhs page for mumps says its important to see a GP to rule out a more serious infection such as tonsillitis.
My kids are vaccinated but I researched each one and made my own evidence based decision. I dislike being manipulated by media and scaremongering in either direction.
Have a look at the the babyjabs site for private vaccine info.

Butterymuffin Fri 28-Jun-19 09:22:52

Nothing is 'perfectly safe' because everything has side effects. That's how the world works. The balance is weighing up the side effects against the possible consequences of not vaccinating. I take it you and your children never ever cross roads Biff? That's not perfectly safe.

BertrandRussell Fri 28-Jun-19 09:26:31

“I researched each one and made my own evidence based decision. ”

Your children must have been quite old by the time you finished all that training.......

BiffNChips Fri 28-Jun-19 09:27:09

The balance is weighing up the side effects against the possible consequences of not vaccinating.
Isn't that the same as what I said above?
"Read the package insert and weigh up the risks vs benefits for your own child."
That was me wot said that...up the page a bit.

BiffNChips Fri 28-Jun-19 09:28:18

Butterymuffin
I didn't claim that crossing roads or anything else was perfectly safe. What are you on about?

IlluminatiParty Fri 28-Jun-19 09:29:27

Don't piss about getting them separately just get the Jab as soon as it's offered. It's quite easy to get measles whilst you're mithering and if that isn't sufficiently scary Google SSPE. A friend of a friend lost her 8 year old in a matter of weeks from this measles related disease. He'd had it as a baby before he had the Jab and recovered ok but then a decade later he became ill and died in a matter of weeks. Her son is dead. Not a bit spotty and uncomfortable, not a bit of a risk to pregnant women or those immunocompromised but dead in a matter of weeks.

IlluminatiParty Fri 28-Jun-19 09:30:03

Obviously not a decade but you get the point!

BiffNChips Fri 28-Jun-19 09:32:23

decade later he became ill

Did you just make up this story? If he passed away at 8 it was 7 years and not a decade layer.....but anyhow the government list all deaths related to measles. Can you find that one on their list?

BiffNChips Fri 28-Jun-19 09:35:03

I could equally make up a scary story about someone dying the day of their jab and you'd say it was coincidence, but I don't make up stories in the name of scaremongery..

Handsoffmysweets Fri 28-Jun-19 09:37:00

Listen to shrimpi OP, she talks sense - evidence based sense.

IlluminatiParty Fri 28-Jun-19 09:41:24

Oh it's true alright. Google Samuel Larkman Jones. I am sure his mum Gemma wishes it was a made up story. I wasn't sure of his exact age it was my error.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_sclerosing_panencephalitis

PurpleGoose Fri 28-Jun-19 09:43:19

I don't think all three parts are available separately, they definitely weren't 18 months ago as I looked. If I remember correctly I could only buy the measles vaccine separately, not mumps or rubella. I would have preferred to give them separately, as my daughter didn't cope very well when having the earlier multiple injections at the same time (allergy baby)and a HCP recommended having the MMR separately. Once I established you couldn't get all 3 separately she had the MMR. Yes she was ill for a few weeks (more so than her peers), but nothing remotely life threatening or dangerous. She's now back her normal self and will have the booster when we reach that point.

jamiecooks Fri 28-Jun-19 09:46:50

Please vaccinate. If your son gets mumps it can lead to infertility. How would you feel if you prevented him having kids?

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