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High cholesterol- does diet really help?

(22 Posts)
Draylon Mon 20-Nov-17 18:14:11

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TittyGolightly Mon 20-Nov-17 18:16:55

Lots of people Following low carb high fat diets are seeing their harmful Cholesterol figures drop.

IvorHughJarrs Mon 20-Nov-17 18:21:29

IN answer to your question, I believe the dietary advice the NHS is using is outdated.
I went to a talk by a heart surgeon recently. He was extolling the virtue of statins as diet has very little effect on cholesterol levels but that statement is based on the typical low fat, chemical shitstorm products like margarine, etc diet. Anecdotally low carb high fat might see better results but no cast iron evidence as yet.
Have a look at Diet Doctor for LCHF advice as that is run by doctors and some of them are heart specialists

TittyGolightly Mon 20-Nov-17 18:22:47

He was extolling the virtue of statins

Statins are hideous drugs. Most of the people on them would be better off without them.

OldWitch00 Mon 20-Nov-17 18:32:34

I was under the impression that diet accounts for 30% of the cholesterol problem and the remaining 70% is genetic. So by cutting back on some dietary cholesterol it will help but not miraculously so.
My favourite beef cut is the tenderloin...very lean ;)

trinity0097 Mon 20-Nov-17 20:02:11

Lots of people find low carb high fat helps.

Draylon Mon 20-Nov-17 20:41:15

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KingIrving Tue 21-Nov-17 09:34:05

I can link evidence but no to carb. If you want to lower cholesterol, you need to become a vegan
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1849932
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3996202/

of course, we are talking about being a VEGan as in eating tons of veggies, not an oreo-doritos vegan or fifty shades of beige vegan
I you have access to netflix, watch forks over knives

HeyMacWey Tue 21-Nov-17 09:41:49

I have genetic high cholesterol and the GP wanted to put me on statins, but suggested plant sterol first. I use these www.healthspan.co.uk/products/plant-sterols-800mg#/?pack size=90 from healthspan (3 a day) and saw a marked reduction. I now take one a day to maintain.

justpoppingby Tue 21-Nov-17 09:48:42

I reduced my high cholesterol level in two weeks, I do hflc anyway but added in two benecol drinks a day but it worked. Docs were v impressed.

emma1282 Tue 21-Nov-17 20:12:13

I suggest you don't follow the internet. Ask yourself what to eat and what not to. Check your cholestrol level regularly. Most importantly, quit salt (any form of salt) and red meat. This is just enough to reduce cholestrol. Hope it helps.

UniversalTruth Tue 21-Nov-17 20:18:08

tittygolightly what do you mean? From where I stand most people would be better without a stroke and statins reduce the risk of this.

lljkk Tue 21-Nov-17 20:21:42

I'd take statins in a heartbeat if nothing else was working. And probably a lot quicker if I had any previous cvd events.

The NHS website is written in plain English.

The NHS says that low saturated fat intake is linked to lowering LDL, the more risky type of cholesterol, not all cholesterols. It's easy to find stories online of people whose LDL soared after switching to low carb diets, btw.

Has he stopped smoking, stopped alcohol, tried losing weight, increased exercise with no change, already?

Ellapaella Tue 21-Nov-17 20:24:23

Statins stabilise plaque within the vessel wall preventing plaque rupture thus helping to prevent heart attack and stroke. Merely reducing blood cholesterol levels does not have that effect. I can understand why people are reluctant to take statins but please make sure you are fully informed. Read research papers that support the use of statins as well as the articles that don’t then make your mind up. If your cholesterol is very high and your GP thinks it may be genetic then ask if you can be referred to a Lipid clinic for genetic testing and further specialist advice.

TittyGolightly Tue 21-Nov-17 20:51:46

Statins are incentivised - there are targets to prescribe them to children now.

The side effects can be worse than the alleged health improvements. My dad’s GP has stopped them due to the impact on his daily life.

UniversalTruth Tue 21-Nov-17 21:05:23

Do you have a link for the "incentivised - there are targets to prescribe them to children now" comment?

All medicines have side effects that affect people differently - in your dad's case it is unfortunate that he cannot take statins but that does not mean that most people would be better without them.

Also, most statin prescribing is of cheap non-branded ones so there is no "big pharma" conspiracy.

MedSchoolRat Tue 21-Nov-17 21:19:16

Statins have among the very worst Nocebo effects.

Nocebo = when people have loads of symptoms after taking a sugar pill that they think is the real drug.

TittyGolightly Tue 21-Nov-17 21:35:29

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/02/statins-should-given-children-heart-risks-age-10/

TittyGolightly Tue 21-Nov-17 21:36:24

Given the effect of sugar on cholesterol levels, and the pushing of high sugar, low fat diets by the NHS for years, I’m sceptical that statins are the answer.

StepAwayFromCake Tue 21-Nov-17 21:46:51

There is growing evidence that high cholesterol may be linked to frequent, large fluctuations in insulin. Sorry, i don't have a link, but I'm sure Google can help.

Anecdotally: my cholesterol was climbing. I was obese, otherwise healthy, did not smoke, barely drank alcohol. After 2 months on HFLC my cholesterol had dropped from 6.7 to 4.5. A year later, 20kg down, still HFLC, it had risen to 5.3. I worried about this, but the GP said that the LDL:HDL ratio was even better than previously, so he was not concerned.

UniversalTruth Tue 21-Nov-17 23:14:23

So I think that NICE guidance doesn't qualify as "incentivised" - these are evidence based guidelines so they are saying that if you have familial hypercholesterolemia then you are more likely to live past 50 if you take a statin. Haven't read it to know exactly what it recommends for children but if my child was 10yo and needed a statin according to NICE then I would want them to have it.

A link between HFLC controlling insulin production and therefore cholesterol sounds interesting but I haven't looked into this properly to know. I imagine that most people with high cholesterol will need a statin if they want to reduce their risk of stroke and heart attack.

EvansGreen Wed 22-Nov-17 09:27:57

yes you need a diet and regular exercises, consult with doctor

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