Rotavirus vaccine. Mummy down!

[Loveallmyboys]

Anyone got sick after their baby had this? DS had it 2 days ago and I've had D&V all day today coincidence?

[andersonsophie89]

I usually seen this sort of comment in other mothering forums. Thr rotavirus is a live virus and therefore your baby can come down with it. The symstoms are usually the same as coming down this the rotavirus when caught naturally. We didnt give our baby this vaccine for 3 reasons:

1- indepndent investigation into rotavirus vaccine came up with contamination of pig viruses. And one of the viruses can cause serious organ problems in piglets, and can even lead to death. They say there has been no evidence to prove this virus can do the same to human babies. But the problem is there is no evidence because this virus has never been injected into a human body before. In addition, the FDA has only told the manufactuerer of this problem and the manufactuerer has still not released a statement to say these viruses has been removed from the vaccine. Here is a link on on Dr. Mercola website for more info or you can just watch the video report. articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/17/major-vaccine-suspended-due-to-contamination-with-pig-virus.aspx

2- My child is at low risk of getting the rotavirus

I am at almost zero even lower risk, because I am breadfeeding my child.
The WHO advise everyone who vaccinate their child against this to stop breastfeeding, as the mother milk contains antibodies. Therefore protecting the child from the disease.
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvaxtruth.org%2F2012%2F01%2Fthe-cdc-says-to-stop-breastfeeding-my-baby-to-boost-vaccine-effectiveness-not-true%2F&ei=zJW5VPO2J8qxUaHbgIAO&usg=AFQjCNH0qoHEP6YNEITVAUNUJDDBN6GBqA&bvm=bv.83829542,d.d24


3- Looked up on the risk and what my child will go through if she does get it naturally. And it is not really serious, I just need to keep my baby hydrated. I spoke to the midwife and she confirmed the reason why babies end up in hospital with this is just to get some fluid inside of them, as parents havent done the common sense thing and hydrated their baby. Also a babies gut is not fully formed and as 80% of human immune system is in their gut, this means the baby might not be able to provide antibodies properly. Therefore it is almost a useless excercise for mothers, but for vaccine manufacurers, it means more money. This is because you will need to vaccinate your child with a booster shot. If the child gets it naturally after 6 months they will usually come down with RV once. And after that their immune system, because it is working properly will start to provide antibodies.

This is just me, but I were you, I will see if anyone you know who is breastfeeding, who can pump out some milk for your baby. In the meantime, keep your baby hydrated. This is just me, I am not a doctor, but from what I have read and after speaking to my midwife, that is what she said. It should pass in a few days to a little over a week.

I hope your baby gets well soon.

[Quiero]

Yes it was a coincidence.

Sophie well done! you won the internet for most unhelpful post ever.

[tinkerbellvspredator]

My daughter had rotavirus a number of times between about 1 year and 3 years old. It was not pleasant and the diarrhoea lasted a long time (hence stool samples taken and rotavirus confirmed). We were also ill and it was awful. It was not 'serious' for my daughter but she now has coeliac disease - rotavirus has been found to be a potential trigger for this (5 times more likely to develop coeliac if you have had rotavirus). The NHS would not bother paying to vaccinate children unless lots of research had been done on safety and shown to be beneficial.

[Browneyesblue]

The vaccine is live, so you may have caught it from changing your baby's nappy.

Keep your fluids up, and I hope you feel better soon

[munchkinmaster]

But if it's a live virus and you touch poo? I seem to remember being told to be careful with nappies after a vaccine? Polio?

[andersonsophie89]

Quiero - coming from vaccine pusher who just posted no info to counter argue the info I have produced. I would put up links of mothers complaining of their child getting RV from other forums but I am worried it will be taken down. I am sure anyone can find this on google.

[munchkinmaster]

Just checked and nhs website says yes, baby poo could have weak traces so careful washing hands etc.
Healthy people okay but not immune compromised.

I'm actually a bit pissed off as they didn't mention this when baby had vaccines a couple months ago. I did have an immune compromised member of the household (which obviously the gp knows about) but HV gave the baby her immunisations and never asked etc. Are you supposed to be psychic ?

[eurochick]

I was told by the nurse who administered the vaccine to my daughter to be particularly careful with handwashing afterwards as it us a live vaccine so it could end up in a nappy. So OP, it could be a coincidence or it could be an effect of the live vaccine.

[munchkinmaster]

And why would the who say to stop breast feeding if you vaccinate? Your link not helping.

[Allstoppedup]

Our nurse told us to be extra stringent about hand washing after the rotavirus vaccine for at least a week, as PP have said its a live vaccine. She said symptoms would likely be D & V, although I believe rotavirus, er, emmissions, have a very distinct smell.

It could just be unlucky timing with a winter vomiting bug.

Hope you and DD are better soon.

[Allstoppedup]

Very close x- post with euro!

[happygelfling]

I was sick after my DS had the first dose of this vaccine. My medic-microbiologist friend told me I need to wash my hands better after nappy changes. It is a live vaccine and it made his poos go a bit runny for a day or so, and that's when I caught it. On the plus side, DS has never had d&v, which may be related to having the vaccination. DD on the other hand (2 years older and was not offered the rotarix vaccine as it hadn't been introduced then) had d&v a couple of times before her 1st birthday and it was really distressing for all of us (and DH and I caught it too). She was never in any serious danger from the d&v but I'm quite happy that DS hasn't been through the same. Of course my sample of two children is not statistically significant, and I've no proof that DD's d&v was caused by the rotovirus, but I'm happy that DS had the vaccination and my illness was preferable to him being ill (and if he had rotovirus I'd probably have got it too). Sorry you're sick though - it's miserable! Look after yourself.

[callamia]

Love, it might be a coincidence, it might be due to the live vaccine and nappies. DS had one lot of grim nappies after his, and was then fine again.

I'm sorry to allow derailment if your thread, bit I can't let this crap go unchallenged: Has anyone ever been told to stop breastfeeding after vaccinating? Anyone? ANYONE?

[Allstoppedup]

I certainly wasn't told to stop BF, in fact, DS has had a boob in his mouth as he has received each and everyone of his vaccinations (including his MMR yesterday) it calms him right down!

Why would you have to stop? It makes NO sense!

[andersonsophie89]

Ive just checked my link and I have put the right one up. In the page it explains that the Center for Disease Control has made this suggestion of stop breastfeeding

There is also a link in there page titled "Inhibitory effect of breast milk on infectivity of live oral rotavirus vaccines." from the US National Library of Medicine National Instite of Health page
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20442687

But in the NHS website it only reference to breastfeeding is
Is it ok tobreastfeed my baby after the vaccination?
Yes. There are no problems linked with breastfeeding babies who have recently had the rotavirus vaccine.
www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/rotavirus-vaccine-questions-answers.aspx#breastfeed
To me this is misleading because it doesnt say anything to make you think there are any problems. As a mother who was doing research on this, and deciding on if I should or shouldnt give my child the vaccine. I would like to know what the CDC sugggested. I would also like to know about the pig viruses contamination in the vaccines. If there are any complications etc... I would also like to have been given the vaccine insert sheet which comes with all medication so that I can read it to make sure I am aware of what it contains, what to look out for, what the risks are. Just like any other medication.

[andersonsophie89]

munchkinmaster - A baby is also immune compromised, as their immune system is not fully developed neither.

What made me do more research into vaccines is the fact my GP knew very little about vaccines. They arent taught about vaccines effect and dangers. My GP was shocked that there was aluminium inside the vaccine, when I asked him how much aluminium was in x vaccine. He hasnt even read the vaccine insert. I was advised as a parent, this is what the NHS has advised and as GP they are targeted on the amount of children who get vaccinated. When GP are targeted, and they havent done their own research into stuff before advising you, had my alarm bells ringing. I did research into every vaccine that my LO was due to have and everytime I have turned down. The risks for each were too big for me. And I am very pissed off at the NHS for selling out to the big phama, while being paid by public (borrowed) money. Money my childrens generation will have to pay back.

[munchkinmaster]

But your link is someone saying the breast feeding thing is a myth.

You are absolutely right gps are not taught about vaccines. At medical school big pharma come round in the night and rip that page out. If juniors ask during training the supervisors say "shhhh, first rule of gp club is we don't talk about vaccines." And as we know all doctors are told not to do any cpd, never keep up to date with peer reviewed journals and keep their eyes on the big bucks.

[FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse]

As others have said, I was advised to wash hands thoroughly after dd was given the vaccine.

The reason rotavirus is dangerous isn't because parents are too stupid to keep their babies hydrated it's because the baby cannot keep down fluids due to vomiting. If a baby has bad D&V they can only stay hydrated on a drip.

Just before Christmas we all came down with D&V. It was terrible, all the older children were really ill, and I was just waiting for the baby to get it. She never did (and there's no way she should have escaped infection). I can only assume it was rotavirus, and be pleased she didn't have to go through what the rest of us did.

[Loveallmyboys]

Well that snowballed!
Thanks for the advice ladies. I'm feeling a bit better today and DS is back on the boob. Touch wood, he's not shown any symptoms or side effects so here's hoping...

[munchkinmaster]

Glad you are on the mend. It didn't snowball so much As curve totally left field! B

[Patienceisapparentlyavirtue]

I got it mildly too, apparently also from nappy changes - hope you're feeling better soon!

Also feel very confident about the vaccine though, as about a month late rotavirus went through our playgroup and 2 of the 3 kids who weren't vaccinated ended up in hospital on drips - and one of those was fully breastfed, so that is clearly not a full protection.
A few of the vaccinated babies caught it too but so mildly, it was just a few days of gross nappies, much less violent.

Anecdotes are not data of course, but seeing the level of apparent science on some of the strange responses above, I thought it was worth posting!

[GirlInTheDirtyShirt]

I got a really nasty case of D&V after my LO's rotavirus vaccine. He had a hideous nappy as well, so I think I caught it from that. Although it could be coincidence. What has been amazing is that since then, there have been a good few D&V bugs that have gone round his nursery and he's either not caught them or only been very slightly poorly as opposed to really ill like his classmates, so I do think it's worth getting the vaccine. Although I am a "vaccine pusher" so I would say that.

I had heard the theory that bfing can make vaccines slightly less effective, because the antibodies you produce in your milk would fight the infection rather than the baby making its own antibodies, but I think that misunderstands immune response in babies, to be honest...

[GirlInTheDirtyShirt]

andersonsophie89 "What made me do more research into vaccines is the fact my GP knew very little about vaccines."

I've seen you post this bollocks on a good few threads now. It'd be funny if what you were saying wasn't so dangerous.

[doogins]

what always cracks me up is when anti vaxers don't care about contributing to gets immunity but benefit from it in general.
They often say the risks of the vaccine out weigh the risks if their child gets the disease (statistically not true).
Ignoring the fact their healthy child can survive a nasty preventable disease - what if their child becomes immunocompromised , gets cancer and has to spend time in hospital around sick children and people. When their child is winning a battle against cancer but catches a vaccine preventable disease and loses the fight.
My baby boy hated being vaccinated and had a reaction but I'm still going for the boosters as he's healthy now and I want to keep it that way.

[Alisonlt]

14andersonsophie89, my baby has has the live vaccine and I'm exclusively expressing for him, unfortunately my 2 year old whom is breastfed managed to put a finished bottle in her mouth and has picked up a mild case of the bug. Breastfeeding has absolutely nothing to do with this virus.