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Calling all Raggedies - the THIRD Ragged Bits thread. Childbirth injuries, sphincter problems, fistulae... all welcome.

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Jacksmania Fri 26-Oct-12 19:08:26

First thread here, May 2008 to June 2009.

Second thread here, June 2009 to Oct 2012.

Welcome everyone with ragged bits due to childbirth. We're sorry you had to find us, but we promise to hold your hand and listen.

There is no TMI here and nothing is too gross, too embarrassing or too horrible.

<lays out tea tray, buffet and alcoholic bar>

All welcome.

Jacksmania Wed 31-Oct-12 23:32:50

No, I haven't! Will defo look. Thanks!!!

LackaDAISYcal Thu 01-Nov-12 14:14:11

Just a quick hello from me smile

Another ragged fanny/backside after a prolonged labour and brutal forceps delivery here sad Add to that coeliac disease and colitits and's hard sometimes to keep up the appearance of normality.

I had anal manometry testing and an anal ultrasound yesterday...waiting for a call back from my gynae with a follow up appointment to let me know the results. And I need to chase up the gynaecological physios as I had to cancel my last appointment due to illness and haven't heard back yet.

and it wasn't without irony that my appointment yesterday was on the fourth anniversary of me going into labour with the cause of my problems, bless his little heart!!

I am also having issues with irregular bleeding, but that's a whole other thread; I've just stopped bleeding after more than 30 days covering two periods. GRIM

If there is reincarnation I hope to the gods that I come back as a man!

Jacksmania Thu 01-Nov-12 20:10:36

Well, let's hope you don't come back as my poor client who just came in suffering from a testicular torsion (ouch!!!)

Two weeks until my gynae specialist appointment. We'll see what she says about my fallen fanjo and weird cycles.

thing1andthing2 Fri 02-Nov-12 10:39:37

Can I join you for a few weeks ladies? I need someone to hold my hand waiting for a mini pelvic floor repair next week, under a local anaesthetic. Yes, I am going to let someone cut into my genitals while I am awake. I'm waking up at 3am worrying about it.
My back story is that I had a homebirth with DC1 nearly three years ago. I tore, midwives said 2nd degree. The shift changed and I was left with a new mw who had a tremor in her hands and I let her stitch me up. Months later my perineum was still sore, and I had muscle laxity on the posterior wall (like a rectocele). It all got much worse in my 2nd preg, but I had my baby boy at home in July with no tearing and no stitches. Got a proper referral to a specialist gynae and he said the tear from the first birth was not stitched up properly leaving me with the rectocele and a hard ridge on the perineum which will always be sore especially during sex.
I'm having a cut and restitch next week and because ds is only 4 months old and breastfeeding, they will do it under LA with no sedative. I've just got to be brave. Please hold my hand.

Jacksmania Fri 02-Nov-12 14:08:47

<offers hand to hold>

<is speechless with admiration at your courage>

You're so brave thanks. Having said that, they can do a really really deep local anaesthetic using what's called a pudendal block. They infiltrate the pudendal nerves on either side of the perineum with lidocaine or marcaine or similar and really, you'll feel about as much as a block of wood.
It will be fine. The idea is terrible, I would have a hard time with the concept, but I'm positive you'll be glad you did it.
Hands are here as long as you need them. But you must update after!!!
Everyone's story helps the next person who finds this thread.

cravingcake Fri 02-Nov-12 14:43:13

<also offering a hand to Thing1>

I understand the awake at 3am worrying. I have been doing that too recently. You are very brave to have your procedure with local anesthetic, braver than me thats for sure.

LackaDAISYcal Fri 02-Nov-12 15:40:53

ooh, thing1, you ARE brave! Re the anaesthetic though; I had my gallbladder removed when my DS was 3 months old, and through all the research I did, everything said that once the anaesthetic is out of your system enough for you to be awake, then you are OK to breastfeed. I was in overnight after the op though and just left oodles and oodles of expressed milk, and then pumped and dumped. My DH brought DS2 in to the hospital in the afternoon/evening after the op and I fed him myself as much as I could during that time. The painkillers post op were no stronger than those given post C section so BFing on those was just fine.

It might be something to consider, if the thought of a local is worrying you that much.
The Breastfeeding Network and La Leche League had lots of info on GA and breastfeeding iirc.

thing1andthing2 Fri 02-Nov-12 19:52:33

Thank you all for your support. It's just a day case so I will be home same day but I can't have ds on the ward because its a surgical gynae ward dealing with miscarriages etc so they don't want happy smiley babies. I totally understand but I did cry when they said I couldn't have ds with me! So they said they would try to put me first on the list. I hope it is the pudendal block thing, that sounds good. I'm just going to try some hippy self-hypnosis and pretend I'm on a tropical beach or something while they snip and stitch my fanjo shock.
The next problem is we are away from home at the moment and have just discovered the MOT was due on the car yesterday and so if we can't get it MOT'ed tomorrow we're screwed for getting back in time for the op!

Jacksmania Sat 03-Nov-12 14:32:28

Oh crap shock
<crosses every available appendage>

Jacksmania Sat 03-Nov-12 14:34:53

By the way, this is the blog *gussiegrips* was linking to in her post above. Well worth reading.

thing1andthing2 Sun 04-Nov-12 09:24:15

Hooray, our 12 year old car passed its MOT! We're off home today (3 hour drive, with a 2 year old and a 4 month old. Fun fun fun).

Jacksmania Sun 04-Nov-12 15:30:28


Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!

thing1andthing2 Tue 06-Nov-12 11:47:44

Home from op now, all done and dusted v v quick. They put me first on the list, because I turned up with my baby and I think they wanted us all out of there ASAP!
Everyone was super nice. Walked to theatre at about 8.50. Legs in stirrups but draped all over with sheets and blankets. Having the local put in was a bit sore and zingy and I started to hyperventilate and get a bit worked up. So I asked for a sedative. By the time the anaesthetist had come in, asked me some questions and started looking for a vein, the surgeon said he was closing up. I hadn't even noticed him start. So I said don't bother with the sedative as the worst bit was over. They gave me oxygen to help me breathe slower and it was all finished by 9.10. Had a nice chat with the nurse in the recovery room and went back to the ward where I was given two cups of tea and a sandwich.
Home 2 hours later and my fanjo is very sore but I've got lots of painkillers and lots of help with the kids so I'm just going to stay in bed.
I'm crossing my fingers it will be ok... Hope I won't need to clutch my perineum to do a poo any more and maybe sex will be comfortable again if we ever find time to try! I've got to wait a month before trying to have sex.
Thanks for the handholding, I needed it.

How is everyone else doing?

Jacksmania Tue 06-Nov-12 15:39:30

So happy that it was over so quickly!
Big relief, hey?
I overdid it in the garden yesterday (planting trees and shrubs) and I have my period which means I'm grumpy and exhausted today.

cravingcake Tue 06-Nov-12 17:36:37

That all sounds really good for you Thing1. Hope you can have a peaceful night's sleep and take advantage of the help!

I'm still waiting for my appointment with the gynae consultant but have been promised it will be with me by Monday's post at the latest.

thing1andthing2 Sat 10-Nov-12 12:31:58

Feeling rubbish today. Still in pain when walking around or sitting and I'm finding doing a poo is preoccupying me for a lot of the time. I've been taking movicol to make sure I don't get constipated but needing to do a poo is so painful and I'm so scared of stretching or bursting the stitches. It also still feels like it all bulges downwards when I do get the courage to go to the loo so I'm not sure yet that the op has made any difference. sad
I guess the muscles have all been cut though so they aren't going to be at their strongest just yet.
On the upside I haven't had any coccyx pain since the operation (I'd been suffering with that since the birth of ds 4 months ago).
DH looked at it yesterday as I was worried I might be getting an infection, and he said it looked red and bruised but not out of the ordinary. I said did it look different from before and he said it was so long since he'd seen that part of me he couldn't remember what it looked like. sad I hope we can get some semblance of sex life up and running some time, but what with all the prodding and poking of my ladybits by doctors, plus breastfeeding and a baby who still feeds 3 times a night, I haven't got much sex drive, to be honest.

thing1andthing2 Sat 10-Nov-12 12:36:32

Ps sorry if I'm being insensitive to all the other ladies who are worse off than me, I am thinking of you all and know I should be pleased that I've at least had someone take me seriously and try and fix the problem smile

ChasedByBees Sat 10-Nov-12 13:25:25

You're not being insensitive at all, that sounds very unpleasant. Hope it improves soon, have you got any painkillers to cope with the pain?

PS I've been here before under a name change - I go on mumsnet on my phone and it's a real nuisance to keep name changing to contribute.

Jacksmania Sat 10-Nov-12 15:42:45

Hi Chased smile

Thing1 - seriously, everyone's concerns are important. Nothing is too trivial or less than anyone else's issue. Please know that we're here for you and anyone else whether you had your entire anatomy rearranged or got a paper cut smile
well, maybe not a paper cut grin

That sounds so uncomfortable. I can highly recommend microwaving a wheat bag so it's nice and warm and sitting on it. Gentle heat can feel so good on bruised and swollen bits. Also, a salt bath. I was told after both my repair ops to have lots if salt baths, to treat it just like I'd had a baby.

sad that the bulging down feeling is still there. Gah!!!!
When are you going for a follow-up visit to the surgeon/GP/anyone?

thing1andthing2 Sat 10-Nov-12 20:38:37

Thanks chased and jacks.
Got a follow up at the end of February, it seems a bit mad, but I guess if it heals well there's nothing else they can do so no point checking before then, if I get an infection I'm to go to the GP.
I'm taking ibuprofen and paracetamol, the hospital gave me codeine but I only took it once because I'm so afraid of constipation!
Anyway, I've done 3 poos today and I'm very proud of myself for only crying a little bit. Maybe I'll ease off on the movicol now! My DH has just gone to the shop to look for formula so I don't have to keep feeding our enormous, 98th centile baby.

Jacksmania Sat 10-Nov-12 22:18:39

Oh, I had one of those grin
Not at birth - although that might have been better for me. If he'd been humungous they might have pulled their heads out of their arses sooner and nipped him out through the sunroof. As it was they thought he was a small baby (he was, only 7 lbs 7 oz) so made me try to push him out and here we are hmm. But then I'd never have found MN. Was looking for support for my poor damaged bits and my poor damaged mind (PTSD and anxiety disorder after his birth). And my life is so much richer and funnier thanks to MN. smile

But I digress. Jackboy was born at 7 lbs 7 oz, dropped to 6 lbs 10 by the time I was discharged, and then when my milk came in he turned into a butterball grin. 8 lbs 4 oz by 2 weeks and 12 lbs by 6 weeks! He'd hit 20 lbs at 6 months. I have a picture of him propped on the sofa at 6 months in only a nappy (it was a hot July) and even his rolls had rolls grin

thing1andthing2 Sun 11-Nov-12 13:51:02

Yes sounds like ds. He was 8lb 8oz at birth so not humongous but then fed and fed and fed, hitting 14lb11 at 8 weeks and 18lb at 15 weeks. I haven't had him weighed since (he's 19 weeks today). I'm wondering about starting weaning early but I'm going to wait until he can sit up by himself. I did blw of sorts with DD but it was slow going getting her to take much so I might see if I can shovel purée into ds. Just so weaning goes quicker and he slackens off the breastfeeding a bit. I will wait till December at least though.
Happily I feel I've turned a corner today. The stitches are still zingy but the heaviness and bruising feeling has gone, I'm less scared of doing a poo and I've found getting up and staying upright doing a bit round the house is helping mu bowels get moving a bit more effectively.
I can kind of see a light at the end of the tunnel. Still in the far distance but still. I've got both kids on my own all day tomorrow so that should be fun hmm. I can't face lugging my double buggy in and out of the house (2 steps in and out) so I think we'll just stay home.

Jacksmania Sun 11-Nov-12 15:49:08

That's probably wise! I know I don't have to warn you about overdoing it smile
We've all been there. Feeling great, so doing more. Next day, feeling like crap.

Jacksmania Sun 11-Nov-12 15:50:55

Hit post too soon: meant to say, good luck with weaning your little turkey! Holy cow, you must have cream in there smile
There was no chance if weaning mine early. He was stapled to my breast for a full year before he'd even entertain the idea of anything else.

thing1andthing2 Tue 13-Nov-12 20:26:24

Just came on to say it's a week since the operation now and I'm feeling loads better. I can sit for up to an hour as long as I've got my soft cushion, and I've looked after both children for two whole days on my own with no apparent relapses! Even pooing is getting less scary and I am starting to feel like I might one day be able to poo normally. Painkillers down to 3x a day...
Just wish ds would sleep a bit and everything would be rosy....

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