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Choosing a sixth form - school won't give me a breakdown of A level results by subject

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titchy Fri 29-May-15 14:20:26

The data over a period of time will be useful though fuzzy - if the school has never got any Maths student more than a B grade in ten years, even if there are only a handful of Maths students each year, that tells you that your gifted Mathematician will probably be better off elsewhere.

State schools CANNOT use interview performance as one of their admissions criteria, even to sixth form. Dunraven also ask for a school reference which again cannot be used for admissions. There is no other admissions criteria that I can see on the website, other than stating the GCSE grades required to do certain subjects (which is allowed). So yes, I conclude that they are acting illegally.

FuzzyWizard Fri 29-May-15 13:08:25

We don't release them as we are a similar sized school and last year only one subject had a statistically significant result (sociology which had 2 large classes and a very high set of results) every other subject the results were not statistically significant due to numbers. As a HOD I'm not particularly cagey about them and will give parents an idea of how many A grades etc but it's weak data and won't tell them much of any use.

marchart Fri 29-May-15 13:02:52

After the interview dd received a letter saying thank you for coming to the interview, we are unable to offer you a place at this time. If you want to please come back to us after you have received your results.

Titchy - are you saying that Dunraven are not acting legally regarding 6th form admissions? To be honest, I felt that the interview was appalling - dd was told in it that she seemed to lack ambition (she said she wanted to go to med school but wasn't yet sure what she wanted to specialise in afterwards. Interviewer said what about surgery, dd said, no, surgery didn't appeal to her, interviewer said this showed lack of ambition). Her two friends from her independent school also applied, had similarly hard interviews and were not offered places. But the good thing was it put dd off the school which meant that my concerns about both results and communications should dd want to go there disappeared.

I feel I am being very critical of Dunraven. I have friends whose children go there and who are happy and achieving. However, I can only go my own experience which is not good.

titchy Thu 28-May-15 08:02:21

Their website says that admission will be determined after interview...

bebumba Wed 27-May-15 19:05:25

Was the interview the reason that she was not offered a place?

titchy Sat 23-May-15 17:28:33

That's illegal OP - too late for you but for others. State sixth forms are NOT allowed to select on the basis of interview performance.

Shocking behaviour by Dunraven!

marchart Sat 23-May-15 10:11:34

I thought I would update this thread as it might prove useful for people.

I had to do a Freedom of Information Request to get Dunraven to give me A level results, and my local MP also had to become involved. The school were simply not willing to give me the results otherwise. Dd did apply for Dunraven Sixth Form, was interviewed and turned down. She did not have a great interview experience (it was her first formal interview, she was 15).

At the same time she applied for Charter School, was interviewed and offered a place and started in Sep having achieved great GCSE results. She has loved Charter since the beginning of her time there.

sashh Mon 25-Nov-13 09:15:11

The only thing your daughter should be concerned about is her own results. What will the VI form do for her as an individual.

A friend's son started uni this year, he did terribly in A Levels, but he had done terribly at AS and AS resits, abut the school were still supporting him through his A Levels.

There were only 2 others in the class for one subject. One a very capable student and one who repeated the AS year.

So if you looked at the stats only 33.3% would have got above a D grade. It looks lousy, but when you look at the 3 individual students their needs were being met and they got the grades they were able to get.

spikeyiscool Fri 22-Nov-13 15:56:55

I don't think this would relate to the school I am talking about starballbunny as it is a large comprehensive in London with over 200 pupils and classes simply don't run with small numbers.

Having said that, surely, what ever the size of the school, this info needs to be made available to help people make informed decisions?

NoComet Fri 22-Nov-13 15:35:30

I'd have thought many schools couldn't give a breakdown by subject because some courses have very small numbers and it pretty much tells their peers and local busy bodies pupils results.

DD's primary is on the SATs reporting boundary and you can make some pretty good guesses, who didn't get their expected L5

spikeyiscool Fri 22-Nov-13 15:28:00

I agree that the school probably isn't hiding a raft of A* results if they are so unwilling to hand the info over.


bruffin Fri 22-Nov-13 15:13:03

Both 6th form prospectuses we got last week had a breakdown of A levels by subject and grades. but they were leaflets inside the prospectus which you picked up at the open evening. The download on the schools' website didnt have the results.

SilverApples Fri 22-Nov-13 14:57:06

OFSTED do check year on year results, in order to make that decision of whether to let the college off an inspection.

TantrumsAndBalloons Fri 22-Nov-13 14:55:36

Funnily enough I am having the same problem with DDs school. They will provide an overall figure of results but not subject by subject.
But they are quite sneaky when it comes to A level results. They keep sending out letters and flyers about how no student of the school failed any A level in the past 2 years.
It's only when you delve a bit deeper that you discover that 64% of the students got Ds and Es which, yes technically is a pass. But they don't tell you that, they don't tell you anything you have to find it yourself

spikeyiscool Fri 22-Nov-13 14:40:24

Last Ofsted was in 2009 (it was good so Ofsted wrote saying they won't inspect again until this year at the earliest).

SilverApples Fri 22-Nov-13 14:11:15

This sort of thing

SilverApples Fri 22-Nov-13 14:09:40

No, all our local colleges do a breakdown, and it's on their websites.
Odd thing to be secretive about, unless they have something to hide.
What did their last OFSTED say?

spikeyiscool Fri 22-Nov-13 13:59:48

Is this normal?

There are highlights on their news page of their website, but no specific breakdown of results by subject area. I have spent weeks emailing and phoning and finally got two paragraphs back saying they don't provide this info. End of.

How is my daughter expected to be able to make an informed decision about whether to apply to the sixth form (which looked great when we visited) if this info isn't available?

I am considering making a FOI request for this. Has anyone else come across this problem? Thank you.

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