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Saacsmum Sat 06-Aug-05 23:01:26

I had a post in the parenting column on this but didnt get much response so thought I would try here.
My boy is not big on solids at all. He is 10 months old and just beginning to manage lumps. He eats very very little and has not gained weight in 2 months. I know others have had bubs that didnt get keen on eating until later
How were they weight wise?
Did you continue to bfeed or cut down to encourage eating?
Isaac feeds between once and three times at nite and has around 4 feeds during the day. I offer solids first and then wait a while b4 offering breast. As far as food goes I offer a variety of textures, colours, flavours etc, I offer finger food, give him a spoon and small amounts in a bowl, put dollops on his highchair for him to feel and taste, eat with him, go outside for picnics, visit the local preschool and have morning tea with other children, offer finger foods. You name it Ive tried it. I usually offer 3-4 foods within a meal and then clear away, I try really hard to keep upbeat about it and praise him for any efforts he makes and talk about the food in positive ways. Really worried about his weigth and not getting much support from the professionals. An idea on amounts is on a good day...
Bfast 1/2 weetbix with ricemilk and 1/4c stewed apple
Lunch 3-4 rice crackers with hummus, 2-3 tspoons vege/fruit/mince bolognaise/rice dish etc, raisins
Dinner 3-4 tspoons vege/fruit/meat/rice dish,
Snacks Rice crackers, raisins, prunes, dried apricots.
All in all he has about 3/4 c of food a day on a good day (about once a week) and wont eat anything at all on a bad day.

colditz Sat 06-Aug-05 23:48:14

is a C a cup? If so he eats more than my 2.4 yo, who is a chunky, active child!

Saacsmum Sat 06-Aug-05 23:49:42

yes but this is around once a week that he eats this and he hasnt gained weight, am I stressing over nothing? He will literally go days without taking a bite of anything but breast.

colditz Sat 06-Aug-05 23:56:06

How does he look to you? How is he on the centile charts (which are not intended for breastfed babies anyway, who tend to be lighter)? Does he look skinny?

Honestly, my ds will eat 2 bites of toast for breakfast, a stick of cheese and some raisens for lunch and although I will serve a fully vegetablized meal for dinner, he will only ever eat the meat, about two mouthfuls. and the Hv says he's overweight (Phooee!)

Saacsmum Sun 07-Aug-05 00:08:42

He is dropping through the centile charts which is why plunket are giving me a hard time about it. To me he looks ok not too big, not too little, small rolls on thighs chipmunk cheeks etc.

colditz Sun 07-Aug-05 00:09:48

Who is Plunket?

Saacsmum Sun 07-Aug-05 00:11:56

NZ version of hvs I think. They are an organisation specialising in the care of infants and do what are called well child checks periodically on babes. Check height weight development etc

colditz Sun 07-Aug-05 00:18:33

in England we never have to take our child to see the healtyh visiter if we don't want to, but I don'tt know if that is the same as NZ.

Breast milk has more calories than most weaning foods anyway.

bobbybob Sun 07-Aug-05 00:21:15

You are doing all the right things - just keep doing them and he will eat when he wants to - his food sounds yummy. I found that completely ignoring Bob and reading the paper worked the best!

Plunket and their charts are all very well - but they don't have the medical training to understand all saacs health issues. Have you spoken to either paed - are they concerned?

Saacsmum Sun 07-Aug-05 01:00:37

Yes to asking paeds, Rodneys answer of course is give up breastfeeding it will solve all our problems. Hospital paed says that it is a concern and to talk to plunket about ideas to get him more interested.

mears Sun 07-Aug-05 01:26:28

saacsmum - do you have any family members who can help? My sister had this problem with DD2 at this same age. What she did was B/F DD in the morning and then leave her with me. There was no way I could breastfeed her so she had to eat!. Sis would come and breastfeed her before she went to bed then I had her overnight. By day 2 she ate the finger foods she got - that included custard . When cutting down breastfeeding I think it is better not to be in the vicinity if you can when you have feeding problems.

bobbybob Sun 07-Aug-05 02:24:08

you've got Rodney sussed then! I love the mystical awe he holds Neocate in, I bet he wouldn't be giving you a hard time if he wasn't interested in food because he was drinking too much Neocate. And I have seen this with allergy kids - not interested in food, but chugging back bottles of the stuff and that is apparently okay even when they are 2.5

NannyL Sun 07-Aug-05 09:48:42

at 10 months old he should NOT need to be fed at all in the night.... night feeding suggests he's not eating enough in the DAY... but is a vicouse circle cause the next day they are not hungry, cause of what they ate at night time... u see

If you remove the night feeds you should find that he eats in the day, and if you dont offer him extra milk in the day, then it will HAVE tobe food he has...

make sure he always gets a pint of milk a day tho

PeachyClair Sun 07-Aug-05 10:16:41

Hi

My youngest ended up on 4th centile after being born at a fair weight (7lb 4oz). the advice I got from paeds was to keep giving what he would eat (with the usual new tastes etc to introduce stuff), keep BF, but to fortify his food with oilive oil (he 's dairy intolerant though, so you could use loads more stuff for variety) to make what he did eat more fattening. he is still small- as expected when you look at his genetic profile and ds's- but id did help a lot, and he started to gain again.

Hope that helps?

jabberwocky Sun 07-Aug-05 11:51:03

Saacsmum, my ds was very similar about eating. In fact, he really wasn't keen even on pureed foods until about 9 months. It has been a long battle to get him to eat table food. At 24 months he now eats mostly table food but we still supplement his vegetables with pureed.
Before he was born, I had visions of all of the lovely homemade babyfood that I would feed him. As it turned out, he would have nothing to do with it. Evidently I could not get it as smooth as the jar food. So...there went another fantasy of motherhood down the drain! I get really frustrated at times, especially when I see a child a year younger eating better than he does. But, as dh keps telling me, the main thing is to get the nutrition in him one way or the other. So I keep trying different things and also keep the cupboard stocked with jars just in case.
Good luck. I know it's difficult. I keep telling myself, one day he'll be eating me out of house and home

bambi06 Sun 07-Aug-05 11:54:19

try cuttting back on the night feeds as he`s probably filling up at night and then wont eat enough during the day

fredly Sun 07-Aug-05 14:35:55

I agree with the mums advising to stop feeding at night. My daughter is your boy's age and she stopped night feeds ages ago (she was also breastfed). She's on 3 meals/day plus a good afternoon snack. I know all babies are different but I think this is what you would expect from a baby of that age. I think the problem with your son is that he's not hungry during the day.

NannyL Sun 07-Aug-05 16:03:16

you CAN get home made baby food as smooth as bought if you 'whizz' it first in a blender and add a little water...

failing that sieve it.... tho the reality is the first foods they try are normally very wet foods like carrot / apple / pear etc which all wizz very smooth, and by the time you add protein (not until 6 months) they SHOULD be starting to gte used to the tiniest of lumps anyway.... it does NOT need to be 'that' smooth for very long

jabberwocky Sun 07-Aug-05 16:19:52

Well, I do realize that it doesn't "need" to be that smooth for very long, but when you have a child who refuses to eat anything with the tiniest bit of texture in it, you do what works!

busywizzy Sun 07-Aug-05 19:52:29

Saacsmum - I am just introducing solids to my DS and read the Gina Ford Contented Baby and Sleeping Guide books, the section at the back on weaning. I'm not big on most of her stuff but have found her weaning advise fantastic and really easy to follow. Where this might be of use to you is that in the Sleeping Guide book, there are loads of case studies where babies are waking frequently through the night and quite a lot of them were to do with not feeding properly during the day.

Perhaps it might help to have a read and see if any strike a cord and you could pick up some tips.

My DS has been on solids for 9 days (he is 20 weeks) and I have had two nights where he has slept through from 7.00pm until 6-6.30am for the first time ever. The latest he had ever slept before was 3.00am and usually it was 1.00am and 5.00am.

Good luck and really hope it gets better for you soon.

bobbybob Mon 08-Aug-05 01:17:58

I have remembered that I first met Ghosty when ds was 10 months old and all he ate was kumara, rice and breastmilk, oh, and he did feed at night.

KiwiKate Mon 08-Aug-05 04:34:49

Saacsmum - my friend's DD was also way down in the plunket weight charts. The plunket nurse made her feel like a totally incompetent mother as she was continued to go down on the chart and was eventually below the recommended weight for her age. Her paed told her not to worry, as the charts are AVERAGE weight, and as Moari and Islander babies tend to weigh a lot more than non-Moari and non-Islander babies the AVERAGE weight on the charts is much higher than they would be in other countries.

However, the paed told her that as long as DD was developing well, was alert and meeting other milestones, then there was no need to worry. Some kids are just lighter than others. Her DD is now 2.2yo and is still a skinny child - but perfectly healthy.

It turns out that the child is one of those with a fast metabolism (she was very active even before she could walk, she was always bouncing around), and she's never has sugary foods/sweats.

The plunket nurse had made such a big deal of it that my friend became a nervous wreck about the food issue for about a year and a half. Because she was so focussed on this food issue, she really lost out on a lot of the early enjoyment that she could have had with her child. Also, because it became a stress issue for the mum, the child did pick up on it (even though the mum tried to be lighthearted about it) - and this may well have caused some eating difficulties where there might not otherwise have been.

You don't say whether your child has started crawling. Remember, once they start moving around, they do often loose weight.

To me, the volume of food your little one is eating sounds pretty huge (yes I realise that this is on a good day). I was once told by a doctor that because babies have such variable apetites, you need to look at their weekly consumption (not daily consumption) and average it out that way.

Personally I did not find that general day time feeding had any impact on my DS wanting to feed at night. However, what did really cut down on the night time feeds was something to eat just before bedtime. We got into a routine of yoghurt just before bed (but you could feed other things as well, eg cereal, stewed fruit etc. A friend of mine always gave hers custard). We did this as close to bedtime as possible (just before cleaning teeth). We didn't force the issue, and only gave it when he wanted it, but were surprised to find that on most nights he did want his pre-bed food (it was not a large helping, though)

If you are concerned, see a paed and do not be bullied by plunket. My friend really wished that she had sought a paed's advice sooner, because it would have saved her a lot of stress and worry.

Saacsmum Mon 08-Aug-05 08:24:23

Thanks all, Bobbybob I know your ds is now an active healthy wee man, how was he weight wise when he was little and subsisting on air as my mother in law likes to tell me. How and when did he increase amounts and variety?

bobbybob Mon 08-Aug-05 08:58:52

Bob was around 8.5kg at a year. He weighs around 13kg at 2.5. It's a good job he wears cloth nappies as his pants wouldn't fit - I dread to think what he'll look like when he is toilet trained. i always gasp (internally) when I see other kids thighs - Bob just gangles from the waist down.

Introducing new things was probably complete between 15-20 months. He has now turned into a traditional toddler and will eat only one item per meal.

NannyL Mon 08-Aug-05 16:53:53

i agree....

my charge is TINY.... 3 years old and only just 12kg... still fits lots of 12 - 18 months clothes, nothing in her wardrobe is over 18 - 24 months!

saying that she eats SOOO much (as much as me) and is very advanced in EVERY other way possible... she behaves more like a 4 year old... just a miniture one!

so eating laods does NOT mean you will be 'large' (i only wish i coudl eat what she eats and NOT put on weight (seriosuly)

she is a very healthy child who eats prettty much ANYTHING at all.

By the way Drs / health visitors etc are not at all concerned about her... think she is around the 8th percentile

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